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Kaung Lay interview transcript, May 16, 2015
Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 1 CACHE VALLEY REFUGEE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET Interviewee(s): Kaw Lay Present: David Giles, Cami Dilg, Deanna Allred, Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, Khin Mar Cho (Kaw Lay’s wife) Place of Interview: Kaw Lay’s home, Logan, Utah Date of Interview: May 16, 2015 Language(s): Burmese Translation: Interviewer: David Giles Interpreter: Har Be Bar Recordist: Deanna Allred Photographer: Cami Dilg Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-18RL broadcast-quality omnidirectional dynamic microphone Transcription Equipment: Express Scribe with PowerPlayer foot pedal. Transcribed by: Susan Gross, May 25, 2015 Transcript Proofed by: Brief Description of Contents: Mr. Kaw Lay discusses being born in Burma, and then the conditions during the war. He talks about his wife and children escaping to a refugee camp in Thailand, with him following later (after having earned more money to support the trip). He talks about the journey to the United States, and what it took to adjust and get settled in Logan, Utah. He and his wife talk about the struggles they’ve had, as well as daily life for their family in the United States. Reference: DG = David Giles DGI = David Giles’ words interpreted by translator KL = Kaw Lay KLI = Kaw Lay’s words interpreted by translator DA = Deanna Allred DAI = Deanna Allred’s words interpreted by translator CD = Cami Dilg CDI = Cami Dilg’s words interpreted by translator KC = Khin Mar Cho KC = Khin Mar Cho’s words interpreted by translator Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 2 NOTE: [You will have to modify this as appropriate—whether using CommGap or in-person interpreter.] The interview was conducted with CommGap Interpretive Services; the interpreter joined the interview via a cell phone. False starts, pauses, or transitions in dialogue such as “uh” and starts and stops in conversations are not included in transcript. All additions and added information to transcript are noted with brackets. TAPE TRANSCRIPTION [00:01] DG: Okay. This is David Giles; we are recording an interview for the “Voices: Refugees in Cache Valley” project. Also with me we have Cami Dilg and Deanna Allred (I completely spaced). Today is the 16th of May, and it is about one o’clock in the afternoon. We also have Har Be Bar, who is the interpreter today, and Kaw Lay, who we will be interviewing. Is there anything else we need to put on the tag, or is that it? Okay. Sorry? CD: Go ahead and ask who else is in the room – DG: Okay. CD: And have them be identified. DG: Okay. Could you do me a favor and just tell us your names? ??: My name is [??] DG: Okay. Sean[??], would you mind? KC: My name is Khin Mar Cho, his wife. DG: Okay. [Inaudible discussion with folks in the room.] DG: [??] okay. DA: How do you spell that? ??: T-H-U-V[??] DG: Oh, I think you were here yesterday. ??: Yeah. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 3 DG: Okay; alright. DA: How do you spell your name? KC: Khin Mar Cho: K-H-I-N space M-A-R space C-H-O. DA: C-H--? KC: C-H-O. DA: C-H-O? Thank you. DG: Okay. Now, before we start Kaw Lay, just to make sure on Har Be Bar, it’s easiest if we just speak one or two sentences at a time, give her time to translate. DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.] DG: If you would like to speak in English, that’s fine; if you feel more comfortable speaking in Burmese – that’s fine as well; just whichever you prefer. DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: He will speak in English – oh, Burmese. DG: Okay. KLI: Yeah. DG: Alright. So my first question: can you tell us your first name and your birth year? And what languages do you speak? DGI: [Repeating the questions in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: First name is Kaw and the last name is Lay; he speak Burmese. His birthday is – KL: [Speaking in Burmese.] KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.] KL: [Speaking in Burmese.] KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 4 KL: [Speaking in Burmese.] KLI: It’s 1963. DG: 1963, okay. Now let me see, tell us a little bit about your family – you know, how many children do you have? And how long have you been married? That kind of thing. DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: He don’t remember exactly how long he been married. And then he has five children. [Speaking in Burmese to interviewee.] Two girls and three boys. DG: Okay, thank you. Let me see – can you please describe the ethnic or religious community that you belong to? So you know, tell us about being a Burmese Muslim. DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] [04:33] KLI: I’m kind of Muslim ethnic group. DG: Okay, thank you. Now let me see – can you tell us a little bit more about Burma? You know, how long you lived there, why you left? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: He was born in Burma, and then there was civil war going around, so they had to move around in Burma. So he had to leave Burma because of the war to Thailand camp. DG: So you went to Thailand first? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] Yeah, Thailand first. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 5 DG: Okay, so what was that like – having to move around, having to move to Thailand? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese. KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.] [Discussion in Burmese between several people.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: Well everything was destroyed, so we have to move around. Well he have to, so it’s kind of not good. DG: Um-hmm. KLI: Yeah, that’s what he try to say. DG: Okay. Let me see – okay. So about how old were you when you had to leave to Thailand? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: Forty-four[??] DG: Okay. And do you remember how many kids you had at that time? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] [08:23] KLI: At that time he only have four childrens, and then in the camp she was born. DG: Wow, okay. What was that like having little kids with you when you needed to leave? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 6 KLI: Yeah, it was the worst time ever, because the whole family cannot go together. At first his wife and two childrens went there first; and then he followed them. DG: Wow that sounds scary. KLI: Um-hmm. DG: Did you have to go separately because if immigration restrictions, because of laws? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: First because their family over there in the camp – they went first – and then they support them to get there. Yeah, he stay in Burma, work for a little bit and then get money, and then go. DG: I understand; okay, thank you. What was it like living in a refugee camp? What were your experiences there? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: He don’t have much experience – he get free food, he live with the food because he don’t work (in the camp there are no jobs). DG: Um-hmm. So what kind of food did you get? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: Rice, beans, salt, oil, chilies. DG: Wow, so not very much? KLI: Not very much. DG: Not very much. Let me see – now what kind of medical care was there in the camp? What would you do if you got into an accident, or you got sick? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 7 [13:07] KLI: In the camp there are clinic, and then if he get sick he will go there. If the health is getting worse, and like dying, the clinic will support him to go to a Mae Sot hospital (he will get take care of him); he don’t have to pay for it. DG: Okay, thank you. What kind of hospital was it? KLI: It’s a clinic – in the camp? The clinic. DG: Oh, well you said if they got worse then they’d go to a hospital? KLI: Uh-huh, like in Mae Sot – in the big city. DG: Oh, okay; alright. Let me see – now you said there wasn’t any work that you could do in the camp, no jobs? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: No. DG: Okay, wow; wow. Okay, now when you were in the camp did you celebrate in holy days or any holidays? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: There are a lot of people (like Muslim people); so that way he could celebrate the Eid (they call the Eid). First he went to the mosque and then pray, and then come back and have fun with families. DG: Cool. Was there a mosque in the camp? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: Yeah, they were. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 8 DG: Okay, wow. What was the mosque like – like what was it made out of? What did it look like? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese. KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: It’s made of wood and bamboo tree. DG: Okay. Was it specially decorated, or was it just you know, just a house? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] [16:12] KLI: It’s kind of like a house, but it’s a lot bigger because a lot of people go there and kind of decorated. DG: Okay, thank you. KLI: Um-hmm. DG: Let me see – now what was it like politically? Like what was your relation – when you were refugees, what was your relationship with Thailand? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: You don’t have a lot of like relationship with Thailand – just live in the camp, and then their like government help. DG: Okay, thank you. Did you feel safe in the camps? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: It’s not safe over there; the Burmese people will come and burn them, but he was afraid. DG: That does sound scary. Thank you. Let me see – so how did you first hear about the United States’ refugee program, and how did you apply for it? Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 9 DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] [19:19] KLI: There is a group that called – [Speaking in Burmese to interviewee.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: UNHI – [Speaking in Burmese to interviewee.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: It’s called UI – he don’t really know. And then he had to register for to come here (like a lot of people were). DG: Okay, thank you. Did you get any help applying? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: Yeah, the UI group helped with everything, because they don’t know anything. So they helped. DG: Okay, thank you. I have a question about the paperwork – was it all in English, or did you have to fill it out in Burmese? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: Yeah, it’s in English, but there are translator that helped them. DG: Wow that sounds like a nightmare. KLI: [Laughs] Yeah. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 10 DG: Let me see – so what was it like coming to the U.S.? What was your experience with the move? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: From the camp he had to go to the city, in Thailand city – he had to like stay there three days in the church, and then he had to take the airplane (like three to four airplanes); and he went to New York, and from New York to here. DG: Wow. KLI: Yeah. DG: Wow. KLI: It’s a long way. DG: Um-hmm. Kaw Lay’s wife has just sat down with us. Let me see – now you said when you went to the camp you had to go – it was your wife and a couple of children, and then you came afterwards? Did you all go at the same time to the United States, or did you have to go twice like that? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] [22:54] KLI: All together. DG: All together? KLI: Um-hmm. DG: Okay. Let me see – so when you first got to the United States, what was it like for those first couple months? Did anyone help you out, or were you just on your own? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: He get a little bit help with the renting and stuff, but there is a problem with his son broken leg; yeah. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 11 DG: Um-hmm. So who helped you with the rent? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] [Discussion in Burmese among several folks present.] KLI: There is a group (IRC) help pay the rent for six months. DG: Oh, wow. That might have been the – Cache Valley group? We’ll look it up – [Discussion in Burmese.] You mentioned there was a problem when your son broke his leg – what happened then? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] [Discussion in Burmese among several folks present.] KCI: They get separated – he is in the hotel, and then she is in the hospital with the broken leg child; and then there is no phone, no number that to call. And then they don’t know how to contact each other. DG: Wow. And you’re saying this is Kaw Lay and his wife (for the recording)? KCI: Um-hmm, yeah. DG: Okay, wow; sounds very scary. Let me see – now did the hospital charge you for that? How did you get help paying for that (the broken leg)? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: The IRC helped them to pay for it. DG: Okay; alright, thank you. Let me see, next question – so how long have you guys been living here, in Logan? [27:44] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 12 DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] [Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.] KLI: Like five to six year. DG: Okay, let me see – what is life like here? What do you do (what kind of work do you do)? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] [Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.] KLI: He work in Miller, and then he is saying that he don’t get food stamps now – so with his money he buy food and stuff, and live like that. DG: What specifically do you do at Miller (like what’s your job)? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: He had to do the inside of the cow’s stomach – DG: Oh, goodness. KLI: [Laughs] Yeah. DG: Khin Mar Cho (is that how you?) – KC: Khin Mar Cho. DG: Khin Mar Cho – what do you do for work here, or do you work? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: She sew, she cook – she sew for other people like – she sew for my clothes too, and then I pay for it. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 13 DG: Oh cool; awesome, thank you. Let me see – do you feel included in the Logan community? Do you feel a part of the group here? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: Yeah, he feel like it. DG: Good, good. Let me see – now tell us a little bit about your home here: like how is it like the house you had back in Burma, and how is it different? [31:13] DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] [Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.] KLI: Thailand – the camp houses are like sometime missing a wall – KL: [Speaking in Burmese.] KL: Made with the bamboo trees. DG: Um-hmm? KL: And then here it’s like completely a lot better; yeah. DG: Um-hmm; okay, thank you. Let me see – oh, have you had any problems with your landlord, or have they been nice and helpful? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: The best landlord ever, he said, because whenever he need something he call it, and then that person come. DG: Okay, so the landlord is helpful then? KLI: Yeah, it’s very helpful. DG: Okay. Good, good; we’ve heard some stories where that wasn’t the case. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 14 KLI: Um-hmm. DG: If you could translate that. DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: The others are not that helpful. Yeah. DG: Okay; wow, it sounds like you got lucky [laughs]. DGI: Um-hmm. [Repeating the statement in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] Very, very. DG: Um-hmm. Now let me see – so what would you like people in Logan to know about you and your family? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] [34:44] KLI: If they’re interested in them, they can come and ask about it; yeah [laughs]. DG: Okay. Alright, let me see – now if you could, would you like to go back to Burma? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: He would like to go back because he have like a lot of friends. And then if he goes somewhere else (like in the jungle) he is happy to live in there, because he feel like it’s his place – and here he don’t feel like it’s own place. And then his child would not go back because they live here, they feel like it’s their place. So yeah, he would like to go back. DG: Okay. I’m sorry – what was your name again? KC: Khin Mar Cho. DG: Khin Mar Cho – would you like to go back? Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 15 DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: She doesn’t like to go back because there are still problems and then she doesn’t want to like get problem anymore – she just want to get free. DG: Um-hmm. KCI: Yeah. DG: Okay. Now let me see – I’d like to go back and ask about the move to the United States. Is there anything that you think that people could do to make that move easier, to make that transition? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] [Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] [38:25] KLI: He want to get like easiest way that he could, if he can – but he had to go around because – [speaking in Burmese to interviewee] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: It’s the traveling stuff, so – KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: Yeah, he cannot just go straight – DG: Are you talking about he would have liked to have flown into Salt Lake – KLI: Uh-huh. DG: Instead of going to New York and back? KLI: Um-hmm, yeah. DG: Okay. Okay now let me see – now just a couple more questions. So what are you most proud of? Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 16 DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: He is very proud that he could come here, and then like his childrens can go to school free. Yeah. DG: Good. Now Khin Mar Cho – what are you most proud of? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] [Laughter] KCI: She said nothing because she can’t speak English until now. KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: Yeah, she wants to like speak English and then get better health. DG: Get better health? KCI: Um-hmm. DG: Okay. Are you having medical problems right now? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese – crying.] KCI: Yeah, she is having with medical; she want to have medical care. KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: Yeah, they don’t help. DG: They don’t help? KCI: Um-hmm. DG: Okay. I’m not sure – DA: Where does she go to get medical help? Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 17 KCI: She just go to the hospital, but she has insurance in the JBS, but the JBS didn’t help them much; so, yeah. [41:27] DA: For her specific problem? KCI: Um-hmm. KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: The thing is that they could pay, but they did not pay. And then there is like a lot of paperworks come, and then she don’t know how to read and stuff. DG: Would you like us to see if we can help with that? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: Yeah, she would like you to. DG: Okay, alright. I don’t know how much we can do, but I’ll ask and see if there is someone who can help. DA: It sounds like there’s just a translation problem. Is it more than just a translation problem? DG: Yeah, it sounds like a problem with the insurance. KCI: Yeah, with the insurance – and then she don’t get the medical care from the government. DA: Okay. DG: If you could tell her we will try and help, but – KC: [Speaking in Burmese.] [Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.] KCI: There is still a problem with his son leg, and that he had to go every year and then he cannot go because of the medical problem that nobody problem. DG: Okay. Can you tell her we’ll talk to some people and see if there is something we can do – if there is some way we can help. DGI: [Repeating the question.] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 18 KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: She doesn’t want any food stamps or stuff, she just want the medical care. DA: She doesn’t the what? KCI: The food stamps. DA: Yes, um-hmm. DG: Yeah, we’ll try to help. I don’t know much about – KC: [Speaking in Burmese.] DG: Okay, we’ll see what we can do. DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.] DG: Now just a couple more questions. What are your dreams for yourself and for your children? We’ve already talked about medical care – DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: She wants her youngest daughter to be a doctor – she really wants – DG: Um-hmm. KC: [Speaking in Burmese.] [Laughter] DA: Is that you? ??: Yeah. DG: Yeah, that would be very good. DA: That would be wonderful. DG: Now Kaw Lay, what are your dreams – for yourself and for your children? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 19 KL: [Responding in Burmese.] [45:44] KLI: He don’t have a dream for himself, but for his daughter and son – he don’t to be like him (like working hard), he just want like their lives to get better and better. That’s his dream. DG: Okay. Now let me see – is there anything else (this question is for both of you) – is there anything else you’d like to talk about that we haven’t asked? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: Nothing. DG: Okay. Now those are all the questions that I have, but do either of you have questions? DA: I have some questions. If there were English classes available, do you have transportation to get there? Do you know if there are English classes? DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KC: [Speaking in Burmese.] KCI: There is people that come her house and like teach her English, but she don’t get it because of problem with the brain, I don’t know. KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: Yeah, she don’t learn anything. DG: I’m sorry – KC: [Speaking in Burmese.] KCI: When they teach she get at first, and then later she forgot all. DG: That’s kind of how it is for us too, actually [laughs]. Like in the classes that we’re taking for school, we need to learn things over and over. So, yeah. DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 20 DG: Okay, any other questions. DA: I do have a question: when you were in the hospital with your son right after you got here, and you were at home – how did you find each other? How did you get back together your family? DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: They take a weeks, then the IRC come and then they find a way – DA: To get them all back together? KCI: Um-hmm, yeah. DA: They were separated for weeks? KCI: Um-hmm, yeah. DA: Because they couldn’t get back together? KCI: Um-hmm. That’s crazy [laughs]. DA: That is crazy. KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: Yeah, the IRC take – KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: [Speaking in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: The IRC took them to the hospital. DA: Okay. KL: [Speaking in Burmese.] KLI: Yeah, from hotel they rent and then once he got the home, and then they took him to the hospital. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 21 DA: Um-hmm; okay. [49:47] DG: Okay, wow. KC: [Speaking in Burmese.] KCI: They can only drink water because they couldn’t eat the American food. DA: I’m sure; I’m sure it was very different – yeah. DG: And hospital food isn’t good anyways. DA: Yeah [laughs]. DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.] KL: [Speaking in Burmese.] KC: [Speaking in Burmese.] DA: Is there any American food you like now? DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: Like pizza. [Laughter] DA: Yeah, pizza [laughing]. DG: Okay. Now Cami, do you have a question? CD: Were you finished? DA: I’m done, thank you. CD: Um-hmm. I guess to follow up with the food question, where do you purchase your food? Do you do that here in the valley, or do you travel somewhere to get the food that you do eat? CDI: Now? Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 22 CD: Um-hmm. CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: Yeah, from Salt Lake – they get from Salt Lake. DG: Wow. CD: How often do you make the trip down there? CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: Once a month. KL: [Speaking in Burmese.] KLI: There is not a lot of Asians food in here, so they have to go to Salt Lake and once a month buy a lot of food. DA: Um-hmm. DG: Um-hmm. [52:05] CD: How do you get down there? Do you go with a family? Do you drive? Do you take public transportation? CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: They go as a family because he don’t know how to drive, so he had to take his older son. DG: Is his son [??] KLI: Yeah [??] DA: [??] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 23 KLI: Um-hmm. DG: Okay. CD: What is the traditional role of male or female, or father – or say husband and wife – in your culture? CDI: What is the traditional – CD: The traditional role – does the wife play certain roles, the husband play certain roles? CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: There is no traditional role, specifically, that they do; they just go to work, she just stay home; that’s it every day. DG: Okay. CD: I’ve got one or two more questions. DG: Okay, sorry [laughs]. CD: If someone wanted to learn more about your community (so someone from Logan), are there events or, you know, gatherings that they could attend to learn more about your community or to meet people from Burma? CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] [54:41] KLI: Yeah, they could come like when the Eid (the holiday) come – we cook, and then everyone like around the community come and eat. DG: Okay. When is Eid? DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 24 KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: Next month is the Ramadan – DA: Uh-huh. KLI: That we have to fast; and then after Ramadan is the Eid. DA: After Ramadan? KLI: Yeah. [Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.] KLI: It’s April 6th – [speaking in Burmese], like the 18th. DG: Okay, thank you. KLI: No, it’s June – DG: [Laughs] KLI: Sorry [laughs]. KL: [Speaking in Burmese.] KLI: Yeah, June 20th or the 18th. DG: Okay. CD: And then last question – on the reverse side (or the flip side), are there certain events that take place in the community (American events, I guess) that you participate in – or maybe just in general – are there things that you do outside of the home? I know you’re busy with work and taking care of the family – what are some things that you like to do outside? CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.] KL: [Speaking in Burmese.] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 25 KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.] KL: [Laughs] [Speaking in Burmese.] [Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.] [Doorbell rings] [57:48] KLI: Like they would like to go other people houses and visit – that’s what they like to do. DG: Okay; so they like to go to other people’s homes, and they like to visit? KLI: Um-hmm, yeah. DG: Okay. KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: They also like to go to Americans [??] houses, but they don’t know how to speak so – yeah, if they invite, they would like to go. DG: Okay. DA: Oh, well we can do that. CD: That can be arranged. [Laughter] DA: She can come visit us. KC: [Speaking in Burmese.] KCI: Yeah, they usually stay home because of like problems speaking English; and they don’t even go to the parent-teacher conferences. CD: Would they attend school events, or something like that (parent-teacher conference) if they had someone to translate? CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 26 KC: [Responding in Burmese.] KCI: Yeah. DG: Okay; alright, any other questions? Okay – if you could translate this for me – DGI: Um-hmm. DG: We are done with the interview now. We are going to transcribe this interview (we’re going to write it down), and we can also burn you a CD of what we talked about today. DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.] DG: This interview that we’ve had today – the recording and the text – will be stored in the Utah State University Library. DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.] DG: And we’ll also use this information to put together an exhibit about Burmese Muslims here, in Logan – and that will be coming up soon – DA: At the end of the month. DG: Do we have invitations? DA: Yes, I do. CD: We do, and we’d like you to attend – your family and your friends – if you would; we’ll give you the information. CDI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.] DG: And thank you again very much for allowing us to come and interview you. DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.] KL: [Responding in Burmese.] KLI: It doesn’t cost anything? DA: No. DG: No. Can you do the release forms? [Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Kaw Lay Page 27 DA: May I take some pictures? DAI: Yeah. DA: So can I take pictures of you two? DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.] DA: Thank you. DG: Now we do have two forms: one form we’d like each of you to sign. This is just a form giving us permission to use this interview and to, you know, store it like we’ve talked about. DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.] [Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.] DA: Okay, I only have – [Background discussion between the interviewers.] [Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.] [End recording – 62:06]
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Gross, Susan;
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transcripts;
application/pdf;
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Sa Jan interview transcript, May 16, 2015
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Burmese Muslim Refugee; make up; Family;
This picture is of Har Be Bar and Maung Maung showing us how to apply the Burmese make up made out of wood.
Har Be Bar, 1995-;
Allred, Deanna, 1965-;
Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project, FOLK COLL 59
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photographs;
image/jpeg;
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Burma; Thailand;
Burmese Muslim Refugee; Interview; Children;
Cami Dilg has on the recordist earphones, Maung Maung has on a white shirt and is looking down. Behind Cami, is Maung Maung's blue tent that he set up while we were there.
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Har Be Bar and Maung Maung putting on make up
Burmese Muslim; Make up; Refugee; Interview; Children;
Har Be Bar and Maung Maung are demonstrating how to put on burmese make up.
Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project, FOLK COLL 61
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Burmese Muslim Refugee; Woman; Family
Har Be Bar is wearing an emerald green shirt and is smiling. She is playful with her little brother Maung Maunt and David Giles arm can be seen to the left of the picture. They are in Har Be Bar's living room.
Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project, FOLK COLL 58
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Har Be Bar, Cami Dilg, and Maung Maung putting on make up
Burmese Muslim Refugee; Interview; Children; Make up;
Har Be Bar is wearing an emerald green shirt, Maung Maung is applying make up to Cami Dilg. Cami has ther earphones on and the microphone is on the table. In the background is a colorful poster.
Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project, FOLK COLL 62
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Colorful poster of flowers and fruit from Burma
Burmese Muslim; Poster; Fruit; Flowers; Customs;
This photo is of colorful flowers and fruit that is typical of the posters that adorn the Burmese Muslim families we interviewed.
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Burmese Muslim Refugee; Shoes;
This photo is of shoes on a rack in the front room at Har Be Bar's home. It is custom to remove your shoes at the door and this is the tidy way which her family organizes the shoes.
Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project, FOLK COLL 63
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Burmese Muslim Refugee; Artist;
This is a painting by Har Be Bar called the Lonely Rose. It hangs on the wall in her living room. It is a painting of a red rose and a hand and it has burmese writing on it with the title.
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Burmese Muslim Refugee; Children; Interview;
Maung Maung playing with the recording equipment while Cami Dilg supervises. Smiles. Maung Maung speaks into the microphone.
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Burmese Muslim Refugee; Woman; Family;
Beautiful Har Be Bar in her emerald green blouse and her beautiful smile.
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Burmese Muslim Refugee; Landlord issues;
This is the Broken window in the front room of Har Be Bar's home. It was accidentally broken, Butit took over three weeks to get fixed.
Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project, FOLK COLL 68
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Burmese Muslim; Refugees; Interview;
In Har Be Bar's front room, David Giles sits on the blue couch, Maung Maung, in a green shirt sits at his feet. David is looking down. There are colorful posters on the wall behind him.
Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project, FOLK COLL 69
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Burmese Muslim; Refugee; Children; Interview;
Maung Maung playing with his blue tent. He is wearing a white shirt and a big smile. He is in a crouched position by the couch.
Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project, FOLK COLL 70
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After the interview, Burmese translator Har Be Bar takes down names of those present, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015
Burmese translator Har Be Bar takes down names of those present at the interview. Maung Maung, her younger brother, came to the apartment after the interview was over. Seated on the left of Har Be Bar is Sa Da De, Ka Mar's wife, and to the right of Har Be Bar is Kin Mar Cho, Ka Mar's mother.
Ka Mar, 1988-;
Dilg, Cami, 1986-;
Giles, David, 1986-;
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photographs
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Burma; Thailand; Salt Lake City, Utah; Logan, Utah; Cache Valley, Utah;
Ka Mar and wife Sa Da De and daughter Ma Se Ma, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015
Photograph of Ka Mar and wife Sa De Da and daughter Ma Se Ma in the front room of Ka Mar's apartment. We took several photos of of Ka Mar and his wife and daughter in this pose. Ma Se Ma decided to gesture in the way you see here for the photograph. There is no information what she means by this gesture. On the wall behind them is a Muslim religious poster.
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Ka Mar holds his daughter Ma Se Ma as he poses with one of several award certificates, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015
Ka Mar holds his daughter Ma Se Ma as he poses with one of several award certificates.
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Ka Mar holds Thanaka while his daughter Ma Se Ma applies some Thanaka to her face, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015
Ka Mar holds Thanaka while his daughter Ma Se Ma applies some Thanaka to her face. I had asked Ka Mar what the designs were on the youth and his wife's face when we arrived at the apartment. The youth, including Ma Se Ma, had applied a swirl on each cheek, one on her forhead, and a dot on her nose. Ka Mar's wife, Sa De Da had a square on each cheek. Ka Mar brought out this Thanaka to try to describe it to us. Thanaka is used for beauty, to cool the skin, and some sources say as a sunscreen. I did not make this connection until we interviewed our translator Har Be Bar. Unfortunately the youth and adults wearing the Thanaka rubbed it off when they entered the house. Likely because they saw us and we, I would think, would be considered foreign to their community.
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Kin Mar Cho's (Ka Mar's mother) Burmese clothing patterns, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015
Kin Mar Cho's (Ka Mar's mother) Burmese clothing patterns hung on the north wall of the living room, next to and above her sewing machine. East of Khin Mar Cho�s sewing machine there was a plastic basket, slightly visible here, with several different colors of cloth in it. In that corner, hanging on the doorknob of, what I think, was a closet door, was a plastic grocery bag filled completely with spools of thread.
Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project, FOLK COLL 71
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One of Ka Mar's several award certificates. The award reads: ""Westgate Park City Resort & Spa Awards this Certificate to: Ka Mar HouseKeeper Team Leader of the Month in recognition of valuable contribution to the Houskeeping Department,"" Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015
One of Ka Mar's several award certificates. Ka Mar recieved this award when he and his family were living in Salt Lake City, Utah, before moving to Cache Valley, Logan, Utah. The award reads: ""Westgate Park City Resort & Spa Awards this Certificate to: Ka Mar HouseKeeper Team Leader of the Month in recognition of valuable contribution to the Houskeeping Department."" All the awards recieved by Ka Mar and his father Kaw Lay have been framed. Ka Mar's younger sister, Thu Za, is seen in the background of this photograph trying to avoid the camera.
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Photograph of Ka Mar's grandparents, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015
This photograph of Ka Mar's grandparents hangs on the west wall of the front room in Ka Mar's apartment alongside a calendar, photographs, award certificates, and perhaps a religious motif. We did not find out the names of the grandparents.
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Ka Mar and wife Sa Da De and daughter Ma Se Ma, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015 (1 of 2)
Photograph of Ka Mar and wife Sa De Da and daughter Ma Se Ma in the front room of Ka Mar's apartment. On the wall behind them is a Muslim religious poster.
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Ka Mar and wife Sa Da De and daughter Ma Se Ma, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015 (2 of 2)
Photograph of Ka Mar and wife Sa De Da and daughter Ma Se Ma in the front room of Ka Mar's apartment. Ma Se Ma is moving in her father's arms. On the wall behind them is a Muslim religious poster.
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Ka Mar's daughter Ma Se Ma poses in front of her father Ka Mar and mother Sa Da De, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015
Ka Mar's daughter Ma Se Ma poses in front of her father Ka Mar and mother Sa Da De. Ma Se Ma is four years old. Her mother Sa Da De is seen here wearing the traditional htamein. Her father is holding his car keys in one of his hands.
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Ka Mar's interview for the Voices: Refugees in Cache Valley field school project concludes, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015
Photograph of Ka Mar interview. This photograph was taken at the conclusion of Ka Mar's interview for the Voices: Refugees in Cache Valley field school project. Also present are David Giles (recordist), Deanna Allred (interviewer), Har Be Bar (translator), and Cami Dilg (photgrapher).
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Muslim religious poster hanging in Ka Mar's front room, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015
On the south wall of Ka Mar's apartment there are two posters: one of Mecca; the other, pictured here, is religious in nature but I do not know the meaning. Many of the houses we visited had posters hung; some of them were the same or similar.
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Poster depicting Mecca hanging in Ka Mar's front room, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015
On the south wall of Ka Mar's apartment there are two posters: one is eligious in nature but I do not know the meaning; the other pictured here, is of Mecca. Many of the houses we visited had posters hung; some of them were the same or similar.
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West wall in Ka Mar's front room, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015 (1 of 2)
This is the west wall of the front room in Ka Mar's apartment. A calendar, photographs, award certificates, and perhaps a religious motif hang from the wall. Interesting to note is how high the objects are hung on the wall. The wall paper, made to look like wood, is peeling over the warped sheetrock beneath.
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West wall in Ka Mar's front room, Logan, Utah, May 15, 2015 (2 of 2)
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Ka Sin during his interview, May 17, 2015
Ka Sin signs a release form to Utah State University for the audio and visual material gathered during our interview. Deanna Allred, the interviewer, looks on, while Har Be Bar, the translator, goes through an English version of the release form. Also present are Ka Sin's daughter Pan Phue, and his youngest son Zat No.
Ka Sin, 1967-;
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Burma; Thailand; Salt Lake City, Utah; Logan, Utah; Cache Valley, Utah
Ka Sin and his children with his interviewers, May 17, 2015
Ka Sin's interview concludes for the Voices: Refugees In Cache Valley field school project. He is joined by two of his four children. Deanna Allred, the interviewer, looks on, as does David Giles, the recordist. Also present are Har Be Bar, the translator, Ka Sin's daughter Pan Phue, and his youngest son Zat No.
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Ka Sin smiles. This photograph was taken in Ka Sin's front room after the conclusion of the iterview. Present in the background are Ka Sin's daughter Pan Phue, his youngest son Zat No, and Har Be Bar, the translator.
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This photo was taken in Ka Sin's front room after the conclusion of the interview.
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Ka Sin's interview group packing away the equipment, May 17, 2015
Ka Sin's interview concludes for the Voices: Refugees In Cache Valley field school project. Also present are Deanna Allred (interviewer), David Giles (recordist), Har Be Bar (translator), and Ka Sin's youngest son Zat No. Har Be Bar is visiting with Zat No in this photograph; the interviewer and recordist are packing up the recording equipment. On the east wall of the front room you can see a map of the United States, a map of Utah, a poster of the Utah State University men's basketball team, and a Utah State University women's basketball team (signed by the players). You can see part of the south side of the front room. It is furnished with a Television, DVD and VHS player, a Nintendo 64, Video games and DVDs, the complete set of Harry Potter books (Zat No's), a computer with webcam, and a face clock and framed image above the face clock. There are two windows in the front room, one of which is visible here, thus there is more light in the room. There are also a couple potted plants on this side of the room. Visible, too, is the plastic, floral patterned mat that is in every Burmese Muslim home.
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Ka Sin talking with translator Har Be Bar while interviewers pack away equipment, May 17, 2015
Ka Sin's interview concludes for the Voices: Refugees In Cache Valley field school project. Also present are Deanna Allred (interviewer), David Giles (recordist), Har Be Bar (translator), Ka Sin's daugher Pan Phu wearing htamein, and Ka Sin's youngest son Zat No. Har Be Bar is visiting with Zat No in this photograph, while Ka Sin and Pan Phu listen; the interviewer and recordist are packing up the recording equipment. On the east wall of the front room you can see a map of the United States, a map of Utah, a poster of the Utah State University men's basketball team, and a Utah State University women's basketball team (signed by the players). There are also some certificates, papers, and photographs. You can also see part of the south side of the front room. It is furnished with a Television, DVD and VHS player, a Nintendo 64, Video games and DVDs, the complete set of Harry Potter books (Zat No's), a computer with webcam, and a face clock and framed (perhaps religious) image above the face clock. There are two windows in the front room, one of which is visible here, thus there is more light in the room. There are also a couple potted plants on this side of the room. There is a toy vehicle next to Pan Phue. Visible, too, is the plastic, floral patterned mat that is in every Burmese Muslim home.
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South portion of Ka Sin's front room, May 17, 2015 (1 of 2)
You can see in this photograph the south portion of Ka Sin's front room. It is furnished with two tables and a couple chairs (you can also see part of the sofa on the west side of the room). There is a Television, DVD and VHS player, a Nintendo 64, Video games and DVDs, the complete set of Harry Potter books (Zat No's), board games, some sweets in a box, a backpack, a computer with webcam (a feature in every Burmese Muslim home, likely for communication with relatives and friends, etc., and a face clock and a framed image )perhaps religious) above the face clock. There are two windows in the front room, thus there is more light in the room. There are potted plants. There are also a couple potted plants on this side of the room. This comes close to looking like a ""typical"" American home.
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East wall of Ka Sin's front room, May 17, 2015
On the east wall of the front room you can see a map of the United States, a map of Utah, a poster of the Utah State University men's basketball team, and a Utah State University women's basketball team (signed by the players). There are also some certificates, papers, and photographs.
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South portion of Ka Sin's front room, May 17, 2015 (2 of 2)
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Har Be Bar wears Pan Phue's traditional Burmese shoes after Ka Sin's wife, Sar Ge Dar, accidentally leaves the apartment with Har Be Bar's shoes, May 17, 2015
These are traditional Burmese shoes. In this case, Har Be Bar wears these shoes after Ka Sin's wife, Sar Ge Dar, accidentally leaves the apartment with Har Be Bar's shoes. It is common for someone to simply slip on any shoes that are left by the front door to go outside. Har Be Bar says this happens all the time. The Burmese shoes are beautiful. These are made of black velvet on the entire surface, even the sole of the shoe. The shoe is embroidered and adorned with gemstones.
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Har Be Bar displays traditional Burmese shoe, May 17, 2015
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Refugee; Burmese Muslim;
Kaw Lay is sitting on the floor. He is wearing purple skirt and a grey button down top. He isn't smiling. The carpet is tan. Behind him are his wife's sewing storage boxes.
Kaw Lay, 1967-;
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Kaw Lay and his family. Khin Mar Cho (wife) Ma se Ma (daughter) Sean (son), Thuza (granddaughter)
Burmese Muslim; Family; Refugee
Kaw Lay's family is in the firont room. Kaw Lay is on the left with his hand on Thuza's shoulder. Khin Mar Cho is next to him wewaring a white shirtand blue/green jacket. Their daugher, Ma Se Ma is next to her wearing a green shirt and Sean, (son) is on the right wearing a dark jacket. There is laundry hanging behind the family picture.
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Kaung Lay with his wife, Khin Mar Cho and their granddaughter, Thuza
Kaung Lay, Khin Mar Cho and Thuza in their living room. Kaw Lay is holding a paper.
Kaung Lay, 1967-;
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Burmese Muslim; Family; Refugee; Friends;
Sean and Har Be Bar in Sean's living room. The photo is blurry, but they are smiling.
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Burmese Muslim; Refugee; Sewing;
Khin Mar Cho Holding a yellow dress she sewed.
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