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CACHE VALLEY REFUGEE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT&#13;
TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET&#13;
Interviewee(s): Kyaw Eh&#13;
Present: Meagan Gill, Wes Van de Water, Bethany Hanks, Kyaw Eh&#13;
Place of Interview: Kyaw Eh’s home, Hyrum, Utah&#13;
Date of Interview: May 16, 2015&#13;
Language(s): English&#13;
Translation:&#13;
Interviewer: Meagan Gill&#13;
Interpreter: None&#13;
Recordist: Bethany Hanks&#13;
Photographer: Wes Van de Water&#13;
Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-18RL&#13;
broadcast-quality omnidirectional dynamic microphone&#13;
Transcription Equipment: Express Scribe with PowerPlayer foot pedal.&#13;
Transcribed by: Susan Gross, May 25, 2015&#13;
Transcript Proofed by:&#13;
Brief Description of Contents: Mr. Kyaw Eh describes his home village and family in Burma,&#13;
and what his childhood was like growing up and working on a rice paddy farm. He talks about&#13;
the civil war in Burma, and the inequalities and suffering the Karen people were put through by&#13;
the Burmese military. He discusses life in the United States, and his religious (Buddhist) views&#13;
on life, as well as his dreams of being able to help orphaned Burmese children attain health care&#13;
and education one day in the future.&#13;
Reference: MG = Meagan Gill&#13;
KE = Kyaw Eh&#13;
BH = Bethany Hanks&#13;
WV = Wes Van de Water&#13;
NOTE: [You will have to modify this as appropriate—whether using CommGap or in-person&#13;
interpreter.] The interview was conducted with CommGap Interpretive Services; the interpreter&#13;
joined the interview via a cell phone. False starts, pauses, or transitions in dialogue such as “uh”&#13;
and starts and stops in conversations are not included in transcript. All additions and added&#13;
information to transcript are noted with brackets.&#13;
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MG: Today is May 16th, 2015. This is Meagan Gill, I am with Wes Van de Water and Bethany&#13;
Hanks; we’re students at Utah State University, and we are working on a project called&#13;
“Voices: Refugees in Cache Valley.” I am interviewing Kyaw Eh?&#13;
KE: Yes.&#13;
MG: At his home in Hyrum, Utah. Thanks for letting us interview you. My first question is can&#13;
you state your full name and your birth year for me?&#13;
KE: My name is Kyaw; my birthday is August 15th, 1979.&#13;
MG: Thanks. And what languages do you speak.&#13;
KE: My home language is Karen (K-A-R-E-N) – Karen; but I can speak four languages.&#13;
MG: What other languages?&#13;
KE: Burmese, Thai and English (not really well).&#13;
MG: Tell me about your family.&#13;
KE: My family: I have two sister, and one brother – including me we have four in my – I have&#13;
my mom and she live in [??], but my dad (since 1995) because he disappear (because we&#13;
have our Karen Revolution to fight the Burmese government). They’re fighting since that&#13;
year – he die or – we don’t anything about it; so he lost. There are a lot of people (Karen&#13;
soldier) die in the war – we have a civil war. My dad – he die, or we don’t know&#13;
anything; we don’t have any information – nobody can tell us if he is still alive or no. But&#13;
we don’t know [??].&#13;
MG: There is no program or way to find out if someone has died or not?&#13;
KE: No, no, no because it is really difficult because in the Karen state we live in the jungle in&#13;
a mountain; we don’t have any electricity, we don’t have any internet, we don’t have any&#13;
phone to contact each other. It’s really hard to find each other if somebody go away (for&#13;
example). We have no way to meet each other again, I think.&#13;
MG: Can you describe the ethnic or religious community you belong to (if any)?&#13;
KE: I was born in Karen state in Burma – I am Karen ethnic group. My religion is Buddhist,&#13;
Buddha, Buddhism.&#13;
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MG: Tell me about the place where you were born.&#13;
KE: I was born – about what? The place, what – describe?&#13;
MG: Yeah.&#13;
KE: The place where I was born is a – how is it called – it’s regional, like kind of the&#13;
countryside (it’s not in a city). We had like a paddy farm: we grow the paddy: rice (paddy&#13;
farm). We had a farm and we had animal like a cow, buffalo (something like that). We&#13;
live just natural in the jungle or something like that; it’s not in a city. We don’t have any&#13;
electric in our village.&#13;
MG: How long did you live there?&#13;
KE: Since I was born until – I grew up there, but I think because I moved to the refugee camp&#13;
I lived there eight year. I moved from my place to the refugee camp since 1999 (around&#13;
that), since I was born.&#13;
MG: Okay. And why did you leave?&#13;
KE: Because there are a lot of problem: we had a problem with Burmese soldier troop – when&#13;
they come to our village they just give us whatever they want: torture us, and they just&#13;
give us the (how’s it called?) – the bullet, the big – like they fire the gun. We have to&#13;
carry, we have to follow them in the jungle wherever they go. We have to carry the heavy&#13;
thing, the heavy bullets (something like that). For example, if we cannot carry it, they do&#13;
whatever they want: even they can kill us, something like that. That’s why – especially&#13;
for the men and the boy, for the men and the boy; but the woman is better than the man to&#13;
live there. Mostly they just capture the men or the boy – have to follow them.&#13;
MG: What all did they make the boys and men do?&#13;
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KE: Excuse me?&#13;
MG: What kinds of things did they make the boys and men do?&#13;
KE: That’s what I told you – we have to carry the bullet or the gun with them, their food –&#13;
because over there we don’t have any (how does it call it), the road, the car or the&#13;
motorcycles go the road – we don’t have of the car road. We have to walk by our foot,&#13;
our feet. We have to walk and go to the jungle because the Burmese troop – they go fight&#13;
the ethnic group; they go to fight the ethnic group, that’s why they call us go with them.&#13;
If they die, we die there; kind of like they are scary enemy – they just keep us the cover&#13;
for them. That’s why we are scary or afraid to save our life – to save my life, that’s why I&#13;
escape from my village and come to the refugee camp: to save.&#13;
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MG: Okay. Where did you relocate to first?&#13;
KE: Pardon me?&#13;
MG: Where did you go – where was the first camp that you went to?&#13;
KE: Oh, yes – Mae La camp is where I live. Mae La camp we called – Mae La camp is on the&#13;
Thai/Burma border. That’s went into in Thailand – is the border we have the refugee&#13;
camps there. It is like the United Nation – they have the food, they give the clothes for&#13;
the education, for the house; everything they provide the refugees there. There I study the&#13;
camp a year – I go to school there.&#13;
MG: What was it like there, from day to day? What kinds of things did you do?&#13;
KE: We just go to school when I live there; we don’t have nothing to do because we cannot go&#13;
outside the camp.&#13;
MG: Um-hmm?&#13;
KE: The Thai military – they control – the Thai authority, they don’t want the refugees go&#13;
outside, spread anywhere (something like that). We have to stay at only in the camp:&#13;
morning, go to school; after school, go home. We play: we have the playgrounds and play&#13;
soccer, visit each other in the camps – just like kind of in a jail. I can say in a jail, like in&#13;
a jail: we cannot go anywhere; just I would visit a friend in the camp.&#13;
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MG: Can you tell me more about the food and any medical care you received in the camp?&#13;
KE: The medical care?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KE: I would say really good; pretty good. We have like a hospital: a medical care center; we&#13;
have everything like that – it’s like other countries, and better than in Burma (a lot better&#13;
than in Burma), but we don’t have to pay nothing. We go whenever we sick we go to the&#13;
hospital, we have medicine or something, they check everything – it’s for free. We don’t&#13;
have to pay nothing.&#13;
MG: Did you celebrate any holy days or holidays in camp?&#13;
KE: Oh, yes. Our Karen holidays, kind of like our Karen New Year, and then our Karen [??]&#13;
Thai ceremony (we call it) we celebrate like a traditional celebrate every year in August.&#13;
MG: Okay. Did you get any special materials to use for the holidays?&#13;
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KE: Oh no, we don’t have – no, we don’t have any specials give to [??]; no, nothing.&#13;
MG: Were you able to make any like special food?&#13;
KE: In celebrate?&#13;
MG: For celebration?&#13;
KE: For celebration?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KE: We used to have like our Karen food and Karen New Year; yeah, we have just – we call&#13;
(how do we call it) – it’s almost the same Thanksgiving in America (but we don’t have&#13;
any turkey over there) [laughs] – it’s not turkey, but other food we ate.&#13;
MG: Okay. What was it like working a paddy farm?&#13;
KE: Paddy farm?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KE: You have not seen – never seen paddy farm? No?&#13;
MG: A few pictures, that’s it.&#13;
KE: [Laughs] Alright, so how do you want to know the paddy farm?&#13;
MG: Just day to day activities?&#13;
KE: Oh, because you’ve seen the rainy season we grow the paddy since the seed, the rice (the&#13;
paddy) seed we grow, and (how is it called) – we put the nursery (nursery, right?). We&#13;
put the nursery and they grow for about one (how is it called?) – feet?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm?&#13;
KE: One feet, two feet, right?&#13;
MG: Yeah.&#13;
KE: Oh yeah, for about one and a half feet we have to take it off and transplant to the ground,&#13;
to the paddy ground. We have to plow – you know the plows?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm.&#13;
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KE: With a cow – but right now they did lots with a machine. We plow the field – before,&#13;
when I was young, we don’t have any machine: we have the cow or buffalo with a (how&#13;
is it called – I don’t know how it’s called it) – we plowed the field to make the ground&#13;
soft, we can plant the paddy plants in the field. And then for about two or three months (I&#13;
think) it’s going to make a kind of flower and for about five months we can harvest. And&#13;
then we can carry in our house or in paddy place.&#13;
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MG: What was the political climate towards refugees in the camp?&#13;
KE: Political climate?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KE: I’m not sure regarding the political – I don’t have any idea of things regarding the&#13;
political climate; I don’t know anything about it.&#13;
MG: Did you feel safe in the camp?&#13;
KE: It is more safer than in Burma.&#13;
MG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KE: It’s not like America; America more safer, better than the camp; a lot better than in the&#13;
camp. But in the camps, better than in Burma (in Karen state) – it’s really bad, and the&#13;
camps a little better. In America is a lot better.&#13;
MG: How did you learn about the U.S. refugee program?&#13;
KE: When I live in the camp, because we have (how does it call?) – we have a Karen leader&#13;
(refugees leader) over there: they told us in 2006 or [200]7, around that. They have a ten&#13;
country who were receive the refugee [??] to their country: kind of like Norway,&#13;
Australia, Canada, Denmark, Poland, something like that, and the U.S. They have ten&#13;
country – you can choose which country you want to go. Some of my friend (when I live&#13;
there, we go to school the same: the same school, the same class) I have a lot of friend&#13;
there – right now we are spread around the world. Some friend are interest in Norway,&#13;
some other friend they go to Australia; but I choose the my choice: U.S. That’s why I&#13;
come to here; that’s why I came here.&#13;
MG: What made you choose the U.S.?&#13;
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KE: I like because U.S. speak English. If I go to Norway, I have to learn another language&#13;
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thought. And if I come to U.S., I have to learn just only one language: English; and then&#13;
the U.S., that was my idea was better than the other country: the education, for&#13;
everything. But I never been the other country, but I just learn it in a newspaper or in a&#13;
magazine; I just read about it.&#13;
MG: Okay. How did you apply for the program?&#13;
KE: Because we have to go to – because they have a (how does it call it?) the place to enroll,&#13;
to enroll who want to go which country, you can come here or our refugee leader – they&#13;
open like the United Nation or the UNHCR – the leader, they go to the refugee camps,&#13;
they announce every refugee people who want to go to this country, this country. They&#13;
have a opportunity lie there, they have a chance lie there, they have a different, like (how&#13;
does it call it?) different chance, different opportunity, different rights. Each country is&#13;
not the same; they let us know about this.&#13;
And then I want to come to U.S., that’s why I enrolled – I put my name I will go to U.S.,&#13;
that’s why they take my names and my U.N. number or evidence. For about three or five&#13;
months they put on a boat – we have to go and check our name are there; if my name is&#13;
there I have to go, if I don’t have my name there, “What happened?” Or, “What have&#13;
problem? I didn’t see my name there?” You can go to the refugee camp leader office, you&#13;
can ask your name or what the problem – they reject, or what the reason they reject&#13;
(something like that)? You can ask.&#13;
MG: Who helped you apply?&#13;
[18:45]&#13;
KE: Because our leader over there – our leader in the camp, they help us.&#13;
MG: Okay. When did you and where did you first arrive when you came to the U.S.?&#13;
KE: Salt Lake City, Utah (2007), I think it was August 8th (around that). To this day I never&#13;
moved to other state; since I arrive here I just stay here.&#13;
MG: What were the first months like?&#13;
KE: It was really shock for me; it was different, very different from my country. But I’m&#13;
happy, the other ways I’m happy also because I have seen the different thing: different&#13;
culture, different food – everything is different from my country.&#13;
MG: What was the biggest shock?&#13;
KE: The biggest shock was when snow time – when the snow was coming [laughs]; it was&#13;
really, really shock for me.&#13;
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KE: Because when I live there since whole my life over there, I never seen snow. I just see in&#13;
a video or movie like that, but I didn’t know how does it look like – that’s why it was&#13;
very shock for the snow.&#13;
MG: Have you tried skiing?&#13;
KE: No [laughs], never.&#13;
MG: Okay. Did you receive any help from U.S. or religious organizations?&#13;
KE: Here?&#13;
MG: Yes.&#13;
KE: Yes, what about can I say for the food stamp, Medicaid (something like that) from the&#13;
U.S. government; it was really good for me. Yes.&#13;
MG: Okay. Do you have any suggestions for improvements for those programs?&#13;
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KE: Which program?&#13;
MG: The food stamp, or Medicaid – do you see anything that could be changed with that? Or&#13;
do you think it worked okay?&#13;
KE: It work okay; yeah, it’s okay for me but I’m not sure of other people. I think for me it is&#13;
okay.&#13;
MG: Let’s see – and how long have you lived here, in Cache Valley?&#13;
KE: Since 2008 until now.&#13;
MG: What do you do here?&#13;
KE: I just work at JBS Swift Company beef plant here.&#13;
MG: What’s it like for you and your family to live here, in Hyrum (or Cache Valley)?&#13;
KE: I like here because it is better than Salt Lake (for me), for my personality I think – it is&#13;
more safety here. And then there is no crowded car, there is not a lot of the car – it is&#13;
really easy to go to the downtown Logan, we can visit easily. I like – it is the same is&#13;
similar like my country here, like with a cow and a lot of horse and the buffalo (or&#13;
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it, and the mountains and the stream with the lake; that’s what I’m growing in my&#13;
country, it’s similar here so I like it here.&#13;
MG: Okay. Do you feel included in the Logan community?&#13;
KE: Included?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm?&#13;
KE: I’m not clear how to say “included?”&#13;
MG: Do you feel like you’re a part of the community, or do you feel a little disconnected from&#13;
everyone else?&#13;
KE: Oh no, is yeah, included in that community, yeah; I feel it’s good, really good. It’s a&#13;
family with the people here in Cache County, many people. And a lot of people (when I&#13;
first arrived here) they help me a lot to go to store, to go to the shopping mall (something&#13;
like that). And from here they have a – at first when I met her, Katie (do you know&#13;
Katie?) – English language singer – they teach the English language for the refugees is&#13;
really good here. Yeah, they help me a lot.&#13;
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MG: Do you think that there is anything else that the community can do to help refugees?&#13;
KE: Oh I think they still help the refugees until now, but do you know Nelda – I’m not sure&#13;
what’s the organization she had up there – but Nelda, she help refugees a lot to apply&#13;
food stamp, to apply to Medicaid, to read the letter from the school, read the letter from&#13;
the DWS for the refugees. Because most refugee, they don’t know how to read and write&#13;
in the letter, they have a problem: Nelda help them a lot. Yeah, it’s good.&#13;
MG: Tell me a little bit about how your home looked like in your home country, and the&#13;
difference with your home now.&#13;
KE: Oh yes, it’s a lot different because in my country – my house in my country, we just built&#13;
with the wood, the roof with the leaf (you know the leaf, the tree leaf, the big leaf) – we&#13;
just made the roof of our house. We don’t have any like the wall close every side like&#13;
this; we have to like – we can open the wind come through, come and go through our&#13;
house. And it was a lot of different because we live style different, completely different&#13;
from here because here is we have snow, we have to turn on the heat; in the summer time&#13;
we have to turn on the air condition – but over there no, we don’t have nothing: no&#13;
electricity, nothing, no internet, no phone, no TV.&#13;
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KE: Because we used to grow up there, it’s not really hot for us – it’s not really hot for me&#13;
because we used to grow up there. If the people from the other country go there it is very,&#13;
very difficult, very hard for them I think to live there; everything is different.&#13;
MG: What would you like people in Logan to know about you and your family?&#13;
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KE: I don’t know how to call it – to make the people in Logan to know my family?&#13;
MG: Yeah, is there anything you would like to let them know about your family and you, or&#13;
your ethnic group?&#13;
KE: [Laughs] I don’t know because I don’t know how to answer it.&#13;
MG: Would you like to go back to your country?&#13;
KE: Yes, maybe one day; I have my dream. I still waiting the politic to change over there, the&#13;
government change. If they change from communist to democracy, maybe one day I&#13;
would go back there.&#13;
MG: To live or just to visit?&#13;
KE: To live [laughs].&#13;
MG: What are you most proud of?&#13;
KE: Here or there?&#13;
MG: Here, or there – yeah?&#13;
KE: Proud of – I don’t know what I’m proud? I’m proud that I am Karen ethnic group (Karen&#13;
people), that I came here, I have learned English and the other language (even I can speak&#13;
some Spanish right now because in our company they speak only Spanish); that is why I&#13;
am very happy I learn their other language and I can speak four language right now –&#13;
that’s why I’m proud of myself.&#13;
MG: Okay. What are your dreams for the future – for yourself or your children?&#13;
KE: Okay, so in the future my dreams are maybe one day (that I told you) I would like to go&#13;
back to my country (if the country change everything). I would like to help the people&#13;
who need help (like orphan children) – do you know what I am saying “orphan” – that is&#13;
the people they don’t have parents.&#13;
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KE: I would like to help them if I have money, if I have my business or my own jobs; if I have&#13;
incomes, a lot of income, maybe one day I would go back and help them for the&#13;
education for the health to get the hospital or the clinic for them, or the school for them.&#13;
Because it is really hard – there are many people over there in our Karen state (our Karen&#13;
people) they don’t have receive any education, any health; it’s really hard over there.&#13;
Because in our place there are many malarias disease – do you know that malaria? Yeah.&#13;
There are many people die every years over there because we don’t have not enough the&#13;
medicine, we don’t have equipment to check the disease, to check up everything for the&#13;
health – that’s why they have to give their lives a lot every years over there.&#13;
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MG: Would you like to own your own business some day?&#13;
KE: I think, yeah; I think so [laughs], yes.&#13;
MG: What kind of business.&#13;
KE: Just for my dream, yeah; because I don’t have any – I don’t have my graduate like a high&#13;
education – I cannot do the business, like the big business. I just that I can do just only&#13;
the agriculture and poultry – do you know poultry?&#13;
MG: Chickens.&#13;
KE: Chicken – oh, yeah poultry like the chicken, or what about the pig farm to grow the&#13;
chicken, pig, goat, cow or something like that, right? With the agriculture – plant the&#13;
food, the vegetable, the fruit in our place; that’s why I like to work with like that.&#13;
MG: Have you ever thought about going back to school?&#13;
KE: Yes, because I don’t have a opportunity, I don’t have a chance right now because I&#13;
borrow my house here, I have to go to work. If I go to school, who is going to pay for my&#13;
payments here, right? It’s really hard to live here. I would like to go to school to get a&#13;
degree or something like that, but it’s really hard for me here. It’s a balance make it&#13;
which way I can do, that’s why I choose the – I have to work to live here.&#13;
MG: Okay. You said you’re Buddhist – has your religious practices changed at all since you&#13;
came to the U.S.?&#13;
KE: Changed, like what?&#13;
MG: Is there any like changes you’ve had to make practice wise? Is it hard to be that here, in&#13;
Cache Valley?&#13;
KE: No, that’s not hard for me, but it depends on the people. Some of the people, if they like&#13;
religious, if they don’t have their temple or monastery (we call it monastery in the&#13;
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Buddhist), in the Christian they call it the church – it is really hard for them to live&#13;
because they love their religion, right? It is for me: I love my religion also, because it is&#13;
always in my mind. And Buddhists, they just teach the people if you are the human, you&#13;
are the human: if you do the good thing, you will get the good thing; if you do the bad&#13;
thing, you will get the bad thing. In America I like, I really like – that’s why I’m [??]: if&#13;
you broke the law, you have to go to jail, right? Your mother, your father, your brother&#13;
cannot help you; nobody can help you – even the God cannot help you. That’s why my&#13;
religion said if you do the bad thing, you will receive the bad; if you do the good thing,&#13;
you will receive the good. That’s why I live here, it is easy for me – it’s not really hard.&#13;
I can communicate with every people, every religion. That is why we are the human&#13;
being. We have to love each other. We need to help each other. If we see the people who&#13;
[??], we have to help that people: even the black, yellow, white, or whatever. We don’t&#13;
have any discrimination – it’s not good; we need to help each other. That’s why I’m here,&#13;
I like America.&#13;
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MG: Is there a monastery here, in Cache Valley?&#13;
KE: No, in Salt Lake City: Thai monastery is over there.&#13;
MG: Do you get to go down there?&#13;
KE: I’ve never been there. I live here almost eight year, I never been there. Just only in my&#13;
mind – if I think the good thing, if I do the good thing, if I speak the good thing, I am the&#13;
good people. If I do the bad thing (like to do whatever the people don’t like) – even I go&#13;
to the monastery or the church, right – every week you go to the church, you go to the&#13;
monastery – if your mind is no good, you are not good people. You go to the church, you&#13;
pray, you go the other where you do the bad thing – that is not fair. I live in my house, I&#13;
just pray in my house for my family, for the people around all the world. That’s why I&#13;
believe. I never been to the monastery; never.&#13;
MG: Would you like to go there some time?&#13;
KE: Some time, yes – because we are different language; we don’t know how do they speak,&#13;
how do they pray, right? [Laughs] If they pray, we don’t want to stand like something is&#13;
not fair for me, it is not good for me. But for the religion, they pray every religion they&#13;
pray for the good people for around the world: they ask them to do the good thing, right?&#13;
But if I go to Thai monastery, the monks (the Thai monks) – they pray in a Thai&#13;
language; if I don’t understand, how can I feel the good thing, right? It’s really good here,&#13;
but that’s what I’m saying; I don’t understand they pray, because it in Thai language. I&#13;
know they are Buddhist, I am Buddhist – I respect them, I like them, but I never been&#13;
there. I don’t understand how they pray in their language; it’s different with my language.&#13;
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MG: Okay. I think I’m done with my questions. Is it okay if they ask you questions if they&#13;
have any?&#13;
KE: Sure, sure.&#13;
MG: You look like you have a question.&#13;
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WV: I’m just trying to think. I guess what I would ask is, you know, based on just your&#13;
experience and what you’ve been through (both in Burma and Thailand and here), is&#13;
there anything that you wish you could help other people outside of your community&#13;
understand? Does that make sense? Is there something that you would like if you could,&#13;
you know, tell other strangers like us (who maybe don’t know), is there anything that you&#13;
would like us to understand?&#13;
KE: To help the Karen people?&#13;
WV: Either way: here or over there?&#13;
KE: Oh okay, yes; I have a lot of things to let you know. I am very happy today to visit with&#13;
you, because you are from the university (US University), maybe you have a lot of&#13;
experience, you have a lot of education (high education) – I think you can help my people&#13;
a lot (more than me). Because maybe one day that I am talking about for awhile when I&#13;
go back there I would like to connect with you. And maybe one day if you go to&#13;
Thailand, go to visit or go do whatever, or go to work over there I just want to connect&#13;
with you and to help our people over there to build a school, to build a clinic: just only&#13;
two things that I’m really need.&#13;
And when I live here, in Cache County (Cache Valley), I just want to let you know&#13;
because our refugee from Burma (our Karen refugees here), we are almost 200 people&#13;
(before there were over 200, but right now they moved the other state some). And we&#13;
have a lot of children here that go to school; sometime they have a difficulty life here:&#13;
their mom and dad cannot speak any English because their mom or their dad go to work.&#13;
And that what I am saying sometime they have from the school, they have school&#13;
conference, parent conference (or whatever, something like that), or the other things is&#13;
really hard for them sometime.&#13;
That’s why from the university can help them some way (like to read the letter, if they&#13;
have time to apply for Medicaid, to apply for food stamp), because they have a better&#13;
chance. In U.S. I know we have equality rights – every people, we have equality right –&#13;
because our refugee don’t know anything (mostly) they don’t know anything about it,&#13;
how to apply that: where we have to go to apply for this; that’s why they need to know. I&#13;
say, “If you have some day you want to go to do this, you can go this building or that&#13;
department,” or if you can like a direction for them it will be better. For example, if you&#13;
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if you need driver license you can go apply this department, this place – something like&#13;
that. You can contact if you want to do whatever (how can I say?).&#13;
But we have a lot of opportunity here, for the people. If you want to go to school:&#13;
agriculture school or nursing school – mostly they don’t know anything about it, which&#13;
program better (which one is better). If you mostly here we have high school student,&#13;
they already graduate and they will continue their higher education (go to college) –&#13;
mostly they don’t how to apply for the scholarship, the grant or something to go for their&#13;
school. If you can have the children like that will be better for them.&#13;
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KE: Yes?&#13;
BH: So I know right now we’re downstairs, but upstairs I saw there’s a lot of stuff on a wall –&#13;
KE: Uh-huh?&#13;
BH: Of like a flag –&#13;
KE: Uh-huh?&#13;
BH: And I saw a picture that I think –&#13;
KE: Me.&#13;
BH: Is of you – is it of you in a uniform?&#13;
KE: The soldier uniform?&#13;
BH: The soldier?&#13;
KE: Oh no, that’s my uncle.&#13;
BH: That’s your uncle?&#13;
KE: Yes, that’s not me [laughs].&#13;
BH: So I guess I’m just curious about that photo?&#13;
KE: For what?&#13;
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KE: No, he’s in Burma.&#13;
BH: In Burma?&#13;
KE: Yes. He is not here. I just respect him, because right now he is a soldier.&#13;
BH: Um-hmm?&#13;
KE: Karen soldier – fight for democracy, fight for our Karen to have a equality rights. He&#13;
fight for everybody to have equality chance, equality rights, to have like a democracy, to&#13;
get democracy in Burma. He doesn’t want to come here; he told me that he will die there&#13;
– he will fight for freedom, for the equality rights. That’s why I brang his picture here&#13;
and just put it and remember him. I miss him. He’s a really good because he suggests me&#13;
always whenever I call him, he suggests me, “When you go there you have to do the&#13;
good thing, you have to love your friend, you have to help your friend. If you have some&#13;
that are like education, or if you have experience better than your friend, you need to help&#13;
your friend who need help.” That’s about him.&#13;
BH: Thank you.&#13;
KE: You are welcome. Anything else?&#13;
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MG: Is there anything else you’d like to tell us that we haven’t asked you.&#13;
KE: No, [laughs] I have no idea. If you have a question, I can answer you; if you have a&#13;
question.&#13;
MG: I think we’re good; thank you.&#13;
KE: You are welcome.&#13;
MG: For meeting with us.&#13;
KE: Yes.&#13;
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BH: Thank you.&#13;
KE: I’m also a pleasure, I’m very happy to be able to converse with you.&#13;
MG: Okay.&#13;
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CACHE VALLEY REFUGEE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT&#13;
TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET&#13;
Interviewee: Aye Win&#13;
Present: Aye Win, Meagan Gill, Chit Moe, Wes Van de Water, Bethany&#13;
Hanks&#13;
Place of Interview: Aye Win’s home in Logan, Utah&#13;
Date of Interview: May 19, 2015&#13;
Language(s): Karen; English&#13;
Translation:&#13;
Interviewer: Meagan Gill&#13;
Interpreter: Chit Moe&#13;
Recordist: Bethany Hanks&#13;
Photographer: Wes Van de Water&#13;
Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-&#13;
18RL broadcast-quality omnidirectional dynamic&#13;
microphone&#13;
Transcription Equipment:&#13;
Transcribed by: Meagan Gill, May 25, 2015&#13;
Transcript Proofed by: Meagan, May 26, 2015&#13;
Brief Description of Contents: Aye Win describes her life in a refugee camp and in&#13;
Burma before she came to the United States. She explains what brought her to the&#13;
Thailand refugee camp and the difference between her homeland and her home here in&#13;
the United States. Aye Win also talks about her family, English classes, holidays in the&#13;
camp and out of the camp, and keeping in contact with her friends from the refugee&#13;
camp.&#13;
Reference: MG = Meagan Gill&#13;
MGI = Meagan Gill interpreted by translator&#13;
AW = Aye Win&#13;
AWI = Aye Win interpreted by translator&#13;
WV = Wes Van de Water&#13;
WVI = Wes Van de Water interpreted by translator&#13;
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BH = Bethany Hanks&#13;
BHI = Bethany Hanks interpreted by translator&#13;
NOTE: Interjections during pauses or transitions in dialogue such as “uh” and false&#13;
starts and stops in conversations are not included in transcribed. All additions to&#13;
transcript are noted with brackets.&#13;
TAPE TRANSCRIPTION&#13;
[00:01]&#13;
MG: Today is May 19, 2015. Its 1:07. My name is Meagan I am here with Bethany&#13;
Hanks, doing uh…audio (laughing), and Wes Van de Water, he’s taking pictures&#13;
today. We are students from Utah State University working on an oral history&#13;
project, refugees for Cache Valley. And today I am interviewing Aye Win.&#13;
Thanks for letting us interview you today. Can I have you state your full name&#13;
and birth year for me please?&#13;
AW: My name is Aye Win. Uh, my birthday May 1, 1974.&#13;
MG: K. Thanks. And what languages do you speak?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: I speak Karen &amp; Burmese.&#13;
MG: K. Tell me about your family?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Can you rephrase that. A she’s not getting that question.&#13;
MG: Um…Tell me about your parents &amp; spouse &amp; children &amp; where they are at?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[laughing]&#13;
AWI: Okay. Well, she’s still not understanding your question I guess. Well, she told me&#13;
that um... our family, my family came here for education purposes.&#13;
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[laughing]&#13;
[2:30]&#13;
MG: Okay.&#13;
AWI So you might want to ask in a different way I guess.&#13;
MG: Okay, sure. Start with how many children do you have?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Four, four.&#13;
MG: Okay. And do you have any other family with you here?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: No&#13;
MG: Okay. Can you describe the ethnic or religious community that you belong to if&#13;
any?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: My religious is Buddhist and that’s it.&#13;
MG: Okay. Can you tell me about your birth country?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: From Burma. I was born in Burma.&#13;
MG: How long did you live there?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[3:44]&#13;
AWI: About fifteen years.&#13;
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MG: K. And why did you leave?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: When or why?&#13;
MG: Why?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[4:19]&#13;
AWI: Well, uh when I was little you know um, I just kinda follow my parents I guess.&#13;
And there were Burmese military everywhere you know. They come to our&#13;
village they were attacking us and me I just follow my parents. We had to sleep in&#13;
a forest for three or five days. And then when we come back I’m just going back&#13;
with them so that’s why I think I…that’s why I left Burma.&#13;
MG: Okay. And after the forest where did you go?&#13;
AWI: Going back home.&#13;
MG: Back home to?&#13;
AWI: To village. Okay.&#13;
MG: To village.&#13;
[4:55]&#13;
AWI: So the…the Burmese military come attack everybody in the village so to escape&#13;
that we went to the forest. We slept there for a few days then when…you know&#13;
things quiet down we come back to our village again.&#13;
MG: Okay. And what was your experience like in a refugee camp?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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[5:49]&#13;
AWI: [clears throat] Well, my experience in refugees, um. Well, my experience in&#13;
refugee camp I got married and um...I had one children in refugee camp and back&#13;
then I wanted to go back home to visit Burma. But I was so scared that I’d…I’d&#13;
never get a chance to go back.&#13;
[laughing]&#13;
MG: Okay. Can you tell me about the food and medical care you received in the camp?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[7:03]&#13;
AWI: Um. Well, yes we…we do receive food and medical care in the refugee camp, but&#13;
for a pregnant women when I was pregnant back then. Um, we had like people&#13;
what organization who are called AMI, IRC, they like come every week and give&#13;
us…give the pregnant woman um…some like five eggs um…one bottle of oil and&#13;
then one bag of beans. So, you know just to keep the pregnant ladies healthy. So,&#13;
yeah if you…you were about to give birth and they’d take you to like…they’d&#13;
keep you at a hospital so like…they’d admit you to the hospital so that you can&#13;
stay and give birth. So, yeah.&#13;
[camera clicking]&#13;
MG: Did you work or go to school in the camp at all?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[8:17]&#13;
AWI: Yeah, well when I was small I did go to school uh…I went to school for four days&#13;
and that’s it. And after I got married I just never got a chance to go to school&#13;
again because I had to take care of my kids you know. And I ran eh uh…a little&#13;
shop in a refugee camp and I kinda sell stuff. Groceries.&#13;
MG: K. What were the day to day living conditions like in the camp like?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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AWI: Well, um…for…for guys, you know [clear throat] uh…for day to day they’d go&#13;
outside of camp and go and uh…plant corn, pick chilies, but for a woman&#13;
they’d…they’d stay home and take care of kids. And if they’d have more time&#13;
they’d also go outside of the camp and do the same thing as the guys.&#13;
MG: Okay. And did you celebrate any holy days, holidays in the camp?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes. Like Karen New Year we have Karen New Year and Christmas day and&#13;
those kinds of holidays.&#13;
[10:09]&#13;
MG: Okay. Did you use any special like decorations or were you able to get any kind&#13;
of presents for the holidays?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes, for Christmas we…we do. I did receive gifts like from a friend and then I&#13;
kinda have to give it back. Like you know from friend to friend thing. So, yes.&#13;
MG: K. What was the political climate like in the camp?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[laughing]&#13;
AWI: Um I…I don’t know.&#13;
[laughing]&#13;
MG: K. Did you feel safe in the camp?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yeah, um I mean I do like living in a refugee camp, but it just uh…sometimes like&#13;
we you know just kinda have to live with fears I guess. Cuz you had to be afraid&#13;
of the Burmese soldiers. You know they’ll kind of…will come your burn…will&#13;
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come and burn the…the refugee camp cuz they do that all the time. Or sometimes&#13;
we had be afraid of Burmese military and the Karen military they were fighting&#13;
each other and we were…I was afraid I might get hit. So yeah.&#13;
[camera clicking]&#13;
MG: How did you learn about the U.S refugee program?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[13:26]&#13;
AWI: Okay, well so. Well, so…so you know I didn’t learn huh…well I so…the thing is&#13;
so…when I was let’s say teenagers age. Around teenagers age um…um…the&#13;
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and my friend we were just really scared. We were like uh…it’s not safe to live in&#13;
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decided…we went to Thailand and we stay in a city. In the city uh…it’s more like&#13;
a town. It’s called The-wa-fa. We stay in that city. We stay there for a few months&#13;
picking corn, chilies.&#13;
[translator interrupts]&#13;
AWI: You guys want to write that [laughing]? T. h.e…the wa dablu o wa. How do you&#13;
spell? Wa. [laughing] Thaw.&#13;
AWI continued: Yeah, we stay there for a…just a few months doing daily things.&#13;
Picking chilies, planting corn. And it was nice. But then after…after um…I can’t&#13;
remember the date, but the Burmese military and the Karen military were in they&#13;
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so…I guess that’s how I learned about refugee camp.&#13;
MG: Okay. And how did you apply and who helped you get to the U.S?&#13;
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to…to come to the United States. You know, you just have to fill out an&#13;
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know that you know I have to pay rent, utility bills, insurance bills. Everything&#13;
you know. But in…in compared to refugees’ camp or Burma you don’t pay&#13;
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MG: K. Tell me about coming to the United States? When did you first arrive here?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Um… I…I got here on June 9, 2008.&#13;
MG: And where did you first come…come to?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AW: Salt Lake City&#13;
AWI: In Salt Lake.&#13;
MG: Okay. What were the first months like?&#13;
[18:24]&#13;
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what to do or where to go. Or we don’t like…like clueless. So, no we didn’t like&#13;
the first month.&#13;
MG: Okay. Did you receive any help from the U.S. or religious organizations when&#13;
you got here?&#13;
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[19:18]&#13;
AWI: Yes. Um…so when I first arrive in the United States I…I did went…went to…to&#13;
the church for a few months I guess. And like during Christmas they will come&#13;
buy my child like a shoes, like boots and stuff. So yes we…I did received help&#13;
from the religious church.&#13;
[19:34]&#13;
MG: Okay. Did you get help from any other organizations?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes. There is another organization called IRC and that’s where we came like, we&#13;
had to go through their office…not office, but we had to go through like,&#13;
applications and stuff. And they were the ones that bring us here you know. And&#13;
they had to take care of us for three months. There yeah, there was like their&#13;
promise or something. So we receive plates and blankets, and kind of a lot of stuff&#13;
from them. Yeah.&#13;
MG: Okay. [clear throat] How long have you lived in Cache Valley?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: About six and a half years.&#13;
MG: K. And what do you do here?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[20:54]&#13;
AWI: Um…[clear throat] Well, before um…I used to work at elementary school. I&#13;
kinda, but I already quit that job, but now because I have a little child to take care&#13;
of. I can just stay home. Yeah.&#13;
MG: Okay. What’s it like for you and your family here?&#13;
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MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: I guess we um…Well, we are surviving here day to day and that is good. We get&#13;
pay you know my dad. My husband. [laughing] He works at JBS and um…then&#13;
we get pay every two weeks. We use those money to pay rent to pay utility bills.&#13;
It’s all gone. We get it again. It just kinda go in circles. Yeah.&#13;
[22:02]&#13;
MG: Okay. Do you feel included in the Logan community?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[22:22]&#13;
AWI: Um…not really. Because you know I don’t speak English. So, yeah. [laughing]&#13;
MG: Alright. What would make you feel more included in the community?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: [laughing] Uh, I don’t know.&#13;
[22:51]&#13;
MG: Okay. Tell me about your home her. How’s it different from your home in your&#13;
birth country?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[23:32]&#13;
AWI: Um, so it’s really different. Um, here um…I mean back in Burma you know&#13;
where my birth country is. You kinda live. The only thing you…you have to fear&#13;
is that the Burmese military. Other than that you don’t actually have any worries.&#13;
You don’t have to worry about rent, bills, or food. You can kinda go out work.&#13;
You get pay. You can either by like I know small stuff…just kinda go day to day&#13;
without a lot of worries. But here you kinda have to kinda think of everything.&#13;
Think of: Oh, I need to have this much to pay for my rent. So…here you just kind&#13;
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of think…think of financial situation here you know. You can’t you…just have to&#13;
keep in mind that it’s different from your home here. So, I guess that’s the&#13;
difference.&#13;
[24:40]&#13;
MG: Okay. Can you tell me your experiences with your landlord?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[25:06]&#13;
AWI: Well, this well…the current manager well…call him manager because she’s the&#13;
manager of the land. She’s really nice you know. Let’s say something wrong with&#13;
our house we…I can…I can go there and be like: Hey something is wrong. But&#13;
although I don’t speak English she will come and look at it herself and that’s&#13;
really nice, but the previous manager kinda not that nice. So good experience.&#13;
MG: Okay. What would you like people in Logan to know about you, your family, or&#13;
your ethnic group:&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: [laughing] I don’t know. [laughing]&#13;
MG: Mmm…let’s see. Would you like to go back to your country?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes, um… my dad is…my dad is still in Burma. And I want to go back. I just&#13;
don’t have the money to go back yet. So, yeah. One day.&#13;
MG: Would you ever go back to live?&#13;
[26:52]&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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AWI: Well, it’s something that I have thought of…going back and staying there&#13;
permanently. But I’m not sure yet because my children are still going to school&#13;
and you know I still have to be here and support them. So, but yeah. Not sure.&#13;
MG: What are you most proud of?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[27:57]&#13;
AWI: Well, uh my children they have a...you know better life here than I did back then.&#13;
So, I’m really happy for that and now Chit Moe, that’s me [laughing], uh…going&#13;
to college is really good thing I guess you know. I’m happy to see my child get to&#13;
go to college and that’s just had never happened in my family.&#13;
MG: Nice. What are your dreams for the future?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[28:57]&#13;
AWI: For my future dream I would say for every for my four childrens I really want&#13;
them to have education. I really want them to have knowledge you know. Even if&#13;
me and my husband die I’m sure they would still be able to live and support&#13;
themselves with what they learned you know. So, yeah. [laughing]&#13;
MG: Okay. Would you ever like to go to school again?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes. I am planning on taking English classes at ELC soon because I failed citizen&#13;
test two times already. So, I feel the need of taking it…taking the English class&#13;
again.&#13;
MG: Okay.&#13;
AWI: Okay.&#13;
[29:54]&#13;
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MG: Do you have any favorite activities to do here in Logan?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[30:44]&#13;
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do in Logan, but...Yeah, so.&#13;
MG: Okay. Well, is there anything that I haven’t asked you that you’d like to tell us?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Well, no. Not really, but I’m just thankful for you guys being here and doing&#13;
interview. So. [laughing]&#13;
MG: That’s all of my questions. Do you mind if my colleagues…if they have any&#13;
questions they can ask you?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[signaled in the positive]&#13;
BH: Um…I have some questions. So, I was wondering about these um…the lights up&#13;
here. Are they just decoration…you just like having them up?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yeah, just for decorations and we keep that for Christmas. [laughing]&#13;
BH: I bet they look nice. Um…&#13;
AWI: No go ahead.&#13;
BH: That actually reminds me of a question I had. So you…you mentioned that you’re&#13;
Buddhist and in the camps though, you celebrate Christmas. Is that a holiday that&#13;
um…Buddhist’s normally celebrate? I just wonder.&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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[32:54]&#13;
AWI: Yes, uh…like I say I was a Buddhist back in refugee camp, but I have friends who&#13;
are not Buddhist you know. They celebrate Christmas and I don’t want to be&#13;
stranger or anything. So, just kind of you know were friends. So, yeah Christmas.&#13;
So, that’s how that happened.&#13;
BH: Okay. And you still celebrate Christmas?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes, and it’s still for the same reasons. Have friends heres and sometimes they&#13;
come and celebrate. Um… likes with Karen um…I don’t know. Well, she hasn’t&#13;
talked this, but it’s from my…no…never mind…no.&#13;
[signaled to go ahead]&#13;
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they…they will go house to house and play music with their guitar. Like a group&#13;
of Karen…like big group and they will come to your door and sing. So, it’s just&#13;
kind of…does…did you guys do that? Or?&#13;
[MG, BH, and WV answer at once]&#13;
MG: Caroling.&#13;
MG, BH, and WV: Yeah.&#13;
BH: Christmas caroling.&#13;
WV: Caroling.&#13;
AWI: Oh really, okay. So that’s not strange yeah.&#13;
BH: Mmm…hmm. Usually, just without a guitar.&#13;
AWI: But it’s with a guitar. Yeah.&#13;
BHI: It’s with a guitar.&#13;
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AWI: Yeah.&#13;
BH: So, why a guitar?&#13;
AWI: Well, so you can sing better. You can follow the tone or something. [laughing] I&#13;
don’t know. I’ve just never been to one. Um, like back…back in refugee camp&#13;
you know we had uh…we had people like Christianity there they come to our&#13;
house they and help us. So, it’s only polite for me to you know help them back.&#13;
So, yup.&#13;
MG: K.&#13;
BH: Um…sorry I’m just really curious about this guitar. Um… do people have guitars&#13;
in the refugee camps?&#13;
AWI: I can answer that. Yes.&#13;
BH: Was there a lot of music there?&#13;
AWI: Yes.&#13;
BH: Like what kinds of music? Was it like um…popular songs? I don’t know like&#13;
maybe American songs? Or was it like its traditional?&#13;
AWI: It’s mostly either Burmese songs or Karen songs. Like the...you know, like the top&#13;
ten songs. [conversation in Karen] I’m doing it. Well, yeah they…we have lot of&#13;
songs and going back to the Christmas thing you like know, like in a refugee&#13;
camp when there’s like people going to house to house to sings there’s just gonna&#13;
be lots of people kinda follow up. You know kinda join the group to do the same&#13;
thing. So.&#13;
[laughing]&#13;
BH: It sounds like a good time.&#13;
AWI: Right.&#13;
[36:10]&#13;
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WV: Um…I’m just kind of curious who is the man in that photo up on the wall in that&#13;
chair?&#13;
AWI: On the left?&#13;
WV: Uh…uh, the bigger one. The guy in the…what looks like brown robes.&#13;
WVI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Its what his name is Thaminya. He is a…a… a highly…everybody knows person&#13;
in Buddhist religions.&#13;
WV: Okay.&#13;
AWI: And he’s… he’s the monk in Burma and he’s rally um…you know. But there’s&#13;
just I guess, so many things that happen to him that are miracle or something.&#13;
Like, I don’t know if this trues…truth or not it maybe a myth, but like when he&#13;
die. Well, he’s dead already and, but his…his fingernails are still growing. So, it’s&#13;
just weird. I guess you know he just kind of have supernatural power or&#13;
something and may people Buddhist…. Yeah. And it is true right. This particular&#13;
person you know he…he’s still in Burma although he died many, many years ago.&#13;
His corpse is still there and it’s not being… how do I say it?&#13;
BH: It’s not decomposed?&#13;
AWI: It’s not decomposing. Yeah. It’s not.&#13;
WV: Did they preserve it? Like, did they do anything to…?&#13;
AWI: Like they probably. Nobody knows whether they preserve it or not. It’s under&#13;
military control and nobody knows. Like government control. I think they&#13;
probably did. Come on. [laughing] K. Yeah.&#13;
[38:04]&#13;
BH: I have one more question. This is something I’ve been curious about cuz it sounds&#13;
like in the refugee camps um…you can meet with a lot of people. There are a lot&#13;
of people around. So, um…did you have a lot of friends in the refugee camp?&#13;
People that you would meet with a lot?&#13;
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BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes. I had lots of friends in refugee camp. Yeah.&#13;
BH: Are there any that came here to the United States as well?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes, but they’re not in Utah. They’re in different states within the Unites States.&#13;
So.&#13;
BH: Are you able to keep in contact with any of them?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes, um…we kinda...we kinda call each other you know. Friends to friends just&#13;
like everybody would do. But, mostly what we all concern about: How…how is&#13;
life doing over there? But, everybody wants to go back home. So, basically.&#13;
BH: Back home to Burma?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes, to Burma. But, in Karen State particularly. To that state, yeah.&#13;
BH: Cool. Thank you.&#13;
AWI: Good?&#13;
MG: Thank you.&#13;
AW: Thank you.&#13;
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