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CACHE VALLEY REFUGEE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT&#13;
TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET&#13;
Interviewee: Aye Win&#13;
Present: Aye Win, Meagan Gill, Chit Moe, Wes Van de Water, Bethany&#13;
Hanks&#13;
Place of Interview: Aye Win’s home in Logan, Utah&#13;
Date of Interview: May 19, 2015&#13;
Language(s): Karen; English&#13;
Translation:&#13;
Interviewer: Meagan Gill&#13;
Interpreter: Chit Moe&#13;
Recordist: Bethany Hanks&#13;
Photographer: Wes Van de Water&#13;
Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-&#13;
18RL broadcast-quality omnidirectional dynamic&#13;
microphone&#13;
Transcription Equipment:&#13;
Transcribed by: Meagan Gill, May 25, 2015&#13;
Transcript Proofed by: Meagan, May 26, 2015&#13;
Brief Description of Contents: Aye Win describes her life in a refugee camp and in&#13;
Burma before she came to the United States. She explains what brought her to the&#13;
Thailand refugee camp and the difference between her homeland and her home here in&#13;
the United States. Aye Win also talks about her family, English classes, holidays in the&#13;
camp and out of the camp, and keeping in contact with her friends from the refugee&#13;
camp.&#13;
Reference: MG = Meagan Gill&#13;
MGI = Meagan Gill interpreted by translator&#13;
AW = Aye Win&#13;
AWI = Aye Win interpreted by translator&#13;
WV = Wes Van de Water&#13;
WVI = Wes Van de Water interpreted by translator&#13;
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BH = Bethany Hanks&#13;
BHI = Bethany Hanks interpreted by translator&#13;
NOTE: Interjections during pauses or transitions in dialogue such as “uh” and false&#13;
starts and stops in conversations are not included in transcribed. All additions to&#13;
transcript are noted with brackets.&#13;
TAPE TRANSCRIPTION&#13;
[00:01]&#13;
MG: Today is May 19, 2015. Its 1:07. My name is Meagan I am here with Bethany&#13;
Hanks, doing uh…audio (laughing), and Wes Van de Water, he’s taking pictures&#13;
today. We are students from Utah State University working on an oral history&#13;
project, refugees for Cache Valley. And today I am interviewing Aye Win.&#13;
Thanks for letting us interview you today. Can I have you state your full name&#13;
and birth year for me please?&#13;
AW: My name is Aye Win. Uh, my birthday May 1, 1974.&#13;
MG: K. Thanks. And what languages do you speak?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: I speak Karen &amp; Burmese.&#13;
MG: K. Tell me about your family?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Can you rephrase that. A she’s not getting that question.&#13;
MG: Um…Tell me about your parents &amp; spouse &amp; children &amp; where they are at?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[laughing]&#13;
AWI: Okay. Well, she’s still not understanding your question I guess. Well, she told me&#13;
that um... our family, my family came here for education purposes.&#13;
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[laughing]&#13;
[2:30]&#13;
MG: Okay.&#13;
AWI So you might want to ask in a different way I guess.&#13;
MG: Okay, sure. Start with how many children do you have?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Four, four.&#13;
MG: Okay. And do you have any other family with you here?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: No&#13;
MG: Okay. Can you describe the ethnic or religious community that you belong to if&#13;
any?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: My religious is Buddhist and that’s it.&#13;
MG: Okay. Can you tell me about your birth country?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: From Burma. I was born in Burma.&#13;
MG: How long did you live there?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[3:44]&#13;
AWI: About fifteen years.&#13;
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MG: K. And why did you leave?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: When or why?&#13;
MG: Why?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[4:19]&#13;
AWI: Well, uh when I was little you know um, I just kinda follow my parents I guess.&#13;
And there were Burmese military everywhere you know. They come to our&#13;
village they were attacking us and me I just follow my parents. We had to sleep in&#13;
a forest for three or five days. And then when we come back I’m just going back&#13;
with them so that’s why I think I…that’s why I left Burma.&#13;
MG: Okay. And after the forest where did you go?&#13;
AWI: Going back home.&#13;
MG: Back home to?&#13;
AWI: To village. Okay.&#13;
MG: To village.&#13;
[4:55]&#13;
AWI: So the…the Burmese military come attack everybody in the village so to escape&#13;
that we went to the forest. We slept there for a few days then when…you know&#13;
things quiet down we come back to our village again.&#13;
MG: Okay. And what was your experience like in a refugee camp?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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AWI: [clears throat] Well, my experience in refugees, um. Well, my experience in&#13;
refugee camp I got married and um...I had one children in refugee camp and back&#13;
then I wanted to go back home to visit Burma. But I was so scared that I’d…I’d&#13;
never get a chance to go back.&#13;
[laughing]&#13;
MG: Okay. Can you tell me about the food and medical care you received in the camp?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[7:03]&#13;
AWI: Um. Well, yes we…we do receive food and medical care in the refugee camp, but&#13;
for a pregnant women when I was pregnant back then. Um, we had like people&#13;
what organization who are called AMI, IRC, they like come every week and give&#13;
us…give the pregnant woman um…some like five eggs um…one bottle of oil and&#13;
then one bag of beans. So, you know just to keep the pregnant ladies healthy. So,&#13;
yeah if you…you were about to give birth and they’d take you to like…they’d&#13;
keep you at a hospital so like…they’d admit you to the hospital so that you can&#13;
stay and give birth. So, yeah.&#13;
[camera clicking]&#13;
MG: Did you work or go to school in the camp at all?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[8:17]&#13;
AWI: Yeah, well when I was small I did go to school uh…I went to school for four days&#13;
and that’s it. And after I got married I just never got a chance to go to school&#13;
again because I had to take care of my kids you know. And I ran eh uh…a little&#13;
shop in a refugee camp and I kinda sell stuff. Groceries.&#13;
MG: K. What were the day to day living conditions like in the camp like?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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AWI: Well, um…for…for guys, you know [clear throat] uh…for day to day they’d go&#13;
outside of camp and go and uh…plant corn, pick chilies, but for a woman&#13;
they’d…they’d stay home and take care of kids. And if they’d have more time&#13;
they’d also go outside of the camp and do the same thing as the guys.&#13;
MG: Okay. And did you celebrate any holy days, holidays in the camp?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes. Like Karen New Year we have Karen New Year and Christmas day and&#13;
those kinds of holidays.&#13;
[10:09]&#13;
MG: Okay. Did you use any special like decorations or were you able to get any kind&#13;
of presents for the holidays?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes, for Christmas we…we do. I did receive gifts like from a friend and then I&#13;
kinda have to give it back. Like you know from friend to friend thing. So, yes.&#13;
MG: K. What was the political climate like in the camp?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[laughing]&#13;
AWI: Um I…I don’t know.&#13;
[laughing]&#13;
MG: K. Did you feel safe in the camp?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yeah, um I mean I do like living in a refugee camp, but it just uh…sometimes like&#13;
we you know just kinda have to live with fears I guess. Cuz you had to be afraid&#13;
of the Burmese soldiers. You know they’ll kind of…will come your burn…will&#13;
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come and burn the…the refugee camp cuz they do that all the time. Or sometimes&#13;
we had be afraid of Burmese military and the Karen military they were fighting&#13;
each other and we were…I was afraid I might get hit. So yeah.&#13;
[camera clicking]&#13;
MG: How did you learn about the U.S refugee program?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[13:26]&#13;
AWI: Okay, well so. Well, so…so you know I didn’t learn huh…well I so…the thing is&#13;
so…when I was let’s say teenagers age. Around teenagers age um…um…the&#13;
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picking corn, chilies.&#13;
[translator interrupts]&#13;
AWI: You guys want to write that [laughing]? T. h.e…the wa dablu o wa. How do you&#13;
spell? Wa. [laughing] Thaw.&#13;
AWI continued: Yeah, we stay there for a…just a few months doing daily things.&#13;
Picking chilies, planting corn. And it was nice. But then after…after um…I can’t&#13;
remember the date, but the Burmese military and the Karen military were in they&#13;
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so…I guess that’s how I learned about refugee camp.&#13;
MG: Okay. And how did you apply and who helped you get to the U.S?&#13;
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to…to come to the United States. You know, you just have to fill out an&#13;
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to United States. That’s what they’ll tell you, but the thing is um…I…I did not&#13;
know that you know I have to pay rent, utility bills, insurance bills. Everything&#13;
you know. But in…in compared to refugees’ camp or Burma you don’t pay&#13;
anything. You have a house you stay, you do what you want. Nothing is…you&#13;
don’t have to pay anything basically, but here its different you know. In order you&#13;
know in order to let you…you had to pay rent and things and stuff. So, yeah.&#13;
MG: K. Tell me about coming to the United States? When did you first arrive here?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Um… I…I got here on June 9, 2008.&#13;
MG: And where did you first come…come to?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AW: Salt Lake City&#13;
AWI: In Salt Lake.&#13;
MG: Okay. What were the first months like?&#13;
[18:24]&#13;
AWI: Well, we didn’t like it you know. We don’t speak the language. We don’t know&#13;
what to do or where to go. Or we don’t like…like clueless. So, no we didn’t like&#13;
the first month.&#13;
MG: Okay. Did you receive any help from the U.S. or religious organizations when&#13;
you got here?&#13;
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AWI: Yes. Um…so when I first arrive in the United States I…I did went…went to…to&#13;
the church for a few months I guess. And like during Christmas they will come&#13;
buy my child like a shoes, like boots and stuff. So yes we…I did received help&#13;
from the religious church.&#13;
[19:34]&#13;
MG: Okay. Did you get help from any other organizations?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes. There is another organization called IRC and that’s where we came like, we&#13;
had to go through their office…not office, but we had to go through like,&#13;
applications and stuff. And they were the ones that bring us here you know. And&#13;
they had to take care of us for three months. There yeah, there was like their&#13;
promise or something. So we receive plates and blankets, and kind of a lot of stuff&#13;
from them. Yeah.&#13;
MG: Okay. [clear throat] How long have you lived in Cache Valley?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: About six and a half years.&#13;
MG: K. And what do you do here?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[20:54]&#13;
AWI: Um…[clear throat] Well, before um…I used to work at elementary school. I&#13;
kinda, but I already quit that job, but now because I have a little child to take care&#13;
of. I can just stay home. Yeah.&#13;
MG: Okay. What’s it like for you and your family here?&#13;
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MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: I guess we um…Well, we are surviving here day to day and that is good. We get&#13;
pay you know my dad. My husband. [laughing] He works at JBS and um…then&#13;
we get pay every two weeks. We use those money to pay rent to pay utility bills.&#13;
It’s all gone. We get it again. It just kinda go in circles. Yeah.&#13;
[22:02]&#13;
MG: Okay. Do you feel included in the Logan community?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[22:22]&#13;
AWI: Um…not really. Because you know I don’t speak English. So, yeah. [laughing]&#13;
MG: Alright. What would make you feel more included in the community?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: [laughing] Uh, I don’t know.&#13;
[22:51]&#13;
MG: Okay. Tell me about your home her. How’s it different from your home in your&#13;
birth country?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[23:32]&#13;
AWI: Um, so it’s really different. Um, here um…I mean back in Burma you know&#13;
where my birth country is. You kinda live. The only thing you…you have to fear&#13;
is that the Burmese military. Other than that you don’t actually have any worries.&#13;
You don’t have to worry about rent, bills, or food. You can kinda go out work.&#13;
You get pay. You can either by like I know small stuff…just kinda go day to day&#13;
without a lot of worries. But here you kinda have to kinda think of everything.&#13;
Think of: Oh, I need to have this much to pay for my rent. So…here you just kind&#13;
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of think…think of financial situation here you know. You can’t you…just have to&#13;
keep in mind that it’s different from your home here. So, I guess that’s the&#13;
difference.&#13;
[24:40]&#13;
MG: Okay. Can you tell me your experiences with your landlord?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[25:06]&#13;
AWI: Well, this well…the current manager well…call him manager because she’s the&#13;
manager of the land. She’s really nice you know. Let’s say something wrong with&#13;
our house we…I can…I can go there and be like: Hey something is wrong. But&#13;
although I don’t speak English she will come and look at it herself and that’s&#13;
really nice, but the previous manager kinda not that nice. So good experience.&#13;
MG: Okay. What would you like people in Logan to know about you, your family, or&#13;
your ethnic group:&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: [laughing] I don’t know. [laughing]&#13;
MG: Mmm…let’s see. Would you like to go back to your country?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes, um… my dad is…my dad is still in Burma. And I want to go back. I just&#13;
don’t have the money to go back yet. So, yeah. One day.&#13;
MG: Would you ever go back to live?&#13;
[26:52]&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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AWI: Well, it’s something that I have thought of…going back and staying there&#13;
permanently. But I’m not sure yet because my children are still going to school&#13;
and you know I still have to be here and support them. So, but yeah. Not sure.&#13;
MG: What are you most proud of?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[27:57]&#13;
AWI: Well, uh my children they have a...you know better life here than I did back then.&#13;
So, I’m really happy for that and now Chit Moe, that’s me [laughing], uh…going&#13;
to college is really good thing I guess you know. I’m happy to see my child get to&#13;
go to college and that’s just had never happened in my family.&#13;
MG: Nice. What are your dreams for the future?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[28:57]&#13;
AWI: For my future dream I would say for every for my four childrens I really want&#13;
them to have education. I really want them to have knowledge you know. Even if&#13;
me and my husband die I’m sure they would still be able to live and support&#13;
themselves with what they learned you know. So, yeah. [laughing]&#13;
MG: Okay. Would you ever like to go to school again?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes. I am planning on taking English classes at ELC soon because I failed citizen&#13;
test two times already. So, I feel the need of taking it…taking the English class&#13;
again.&#13;
MG: Okay.&#13;
AWI: Okay.&#13;
[29:54]&#13;
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MG: Do you have any favorite activities to do here in Logan?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[30:44]&#13;
AWI: I’m not sure. [laughing] I don’t know. I guess, I mean there are a lot of things to&#13;
do in Logan, but...Yeah, so.&#13;
MG: Okay. Well, is there anything that I haven’t asked you that you’d like to tell us?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Well, no. Not really, but I’m just thankful for you guys being here and doing&#13;
interview. So. [laughing]&#13;
MG: That’s all of my questions. Do you mind if my colleagues…if they have any&#13;
questions they can ask you?&#13;
MGI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[signaled in the positive]&#13;
BH: Um…I have some questions. So, I was wondering about these um…the lights up&#13;
here. Are they just decoration…you just like having them up?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yeah, just for decorations and we keep that for Christmas. [laughing]&#13;
BH: I bet they look nice. Um…&#13;
AWI: No go ahead.&#13;
BH: That actually reminds me of a question I had. So you…you mentioned that you’re&#13;
Buddhist and in the camps though, you celebrate Christmas. Is that a holiday that&#13;
um…Buddhist’s normally celebrate? I just wonder.&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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AWI: Yes, uh…like I say I was a Buddhist back in refugee camp, but I have friends who&#13;
are not Buddhist you know. They celebrate Christmas and I don’t want to be&#13;
stranger or anything. So, just kind of you know were friends. So, yeah Christmas.&#13;
So, that’s how that happened.&#13;
BH: Okay. And you still celebrate Christmas?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes, and it’s still for the same reasons. Have friends heres and sometimes they&#13;
come and celebrate. Um… likes with Karen um…I don’t know. Well, she hasn’t&#13;
talked this, but it’s from my…no…never mind…no.&#13;
[signaled to go ahead]&#13;
Um…so Karen I think every Christmas like, especially with their Christianity&#13;
they…they will go house to house and play music with their guitar. Like a group&#13;
of Karen…like big group and they will come to your door and sing. So, it’s just&#13;
kind of…does…did you guys do that? Or?&#13;
[MG, BH, and WV answer at once]&#13;
MG: Caroling.&#13;
MG, BH, and WV: Yeah.&#13;
BH: Christmas caroling.&#13;
WV: Caroling.&#13;
AWI: Oh really, okay. So that’s not strange yeah.&#13;
BH: Mmm…hmm. Usually, just without a guitar.&#13;
AWI: But it’s with a guitar. Yeah.&#13;
BHI: It’s with a guitar.&#13;
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AWI: Yeah.&#13;
BH: So, why a guitar?&#13;
AWI: Well, so you can sing better. You can follow the tone or something. [laughing] I&#13;
don’t know. I’ve just never been to one. Um, like back…back in refugee camp&#13;
you know we had uh…we had people like Christianity there they come to our&#13;
house they and help us. So, it’s only polite for me to you know help them back.&#13;
So, yup.&#13;
MG: K.&#13;
BH: Um…sorry I’m just really curious about this guitar. Um… do people have guitars&#13;
in the refugee camps?&#13;
AWI: I can answer that. Yes.&#13;
BH: Was there a lot of music there?&#13;
AWI: Yes.&#13;
BH: Like what kinds of music? Was it like um…popular songs? I don’t know like&#13;
maybe American songs? Or was it like its traditional?&#13;
AWI: It’s mostly either Burmese songs or Karen songs. Like the...you know, like the top&#13;
ten songs. [conversation in Karen] I’m doing it. Well, yeah they…we have lot of&#13;
songs and going back to the Christmas thing you like know, like in a refugee&#13;
camp when there’s like people going to house to house to sings there’s just gonna&#13;
be lots of people kinda follow up. You know kinda join the group to do the same&#13;
thing. So.&#13;
[laughing]&#13;
BH: It sounds like a good time.&#13;
AWI: Right.&#13;
[36:10]&#13;
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WV: Um…I’m just kind of curious who is the man in that photo up on the wall in that&#13;
chair?&#13;
AWI: On the left?&#13;
WV: Uh…uh, the bigger one. The guy in the…what looks like brown robes.&#13;
WVI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Its what his name is Thaminya. He is a…a… a highly…everybody knows person&#13;
in Buddhist religions.&#13;
WV: Okay.&#13;
AWI: And he’s… he’s the monk in Burma and he’s rally um…you know. But there’s&#13;
just I guess, so many things that happen to him that are miracle or something.&#13;
Like, I don’t know if this trues…truth or not it maybe a myth, but like when he&#13;
die. Well, he’s dead already and, but his…his fingernails are still growing. So, it’s&#13;
just weird. I guess you know he just kind of have supernatural power or&#13;
something and may people Buddhist…. Yeah. And it is true right. This particular&#13;
person you know he…he’s still in Burma although he died many, many years ago.&#13;
His corpse is still there and it’s not being… how do I say it?&#13;
BH: It’s not decomposed?&#13;
AWI: It’s not decomposing. Yeah. It’s not.&#13;
WV: Did they preserve it? Like, did they do anything to…?&#13;
AWI: Like they probably. Nobody knows whether they preserve it or not. It’s under&#13;
military control and nobody knows. Like government control. I think they&#13;
probably did. Come on. [laughing] K. Yeah.&#13;
[38:04]&#13;
BH: I have one more question. This is something I’ve been curious about cuz it sounds&#13;
like in the refugee camps um…you can meet with a lot of people. There are a lot&#13;
of people around. So, um…did you have a lot of friends in the refugee camp?&#13;
People that you would meet with a lot?&#13;
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BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes. I had lots of friends in refugee camp. Yeah.&#13;
BH: Are there any that came here to the United States as well?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes, but they’re not in Utah. They’re in different states within the Unites States.&#13;
So.&#13;
BH: Are you able to keep in contact with any of them?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes, um…we kinda...we kinda call each other you know. Friends to friends just&#13;
like everybody would do. But, mostly what we all concern about: How…how is&#13;
life doing over there? But, everybody wants to go back home. So, basically.&#13;
BH: Back home to Burma?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
AWI: Yes, to Burma. But, in Karen State particularly. To that state, yeah.&#13;
BH: Cool. Thank you.&#13;
AWI: Good?&#13;
MG: Thank you.&#13;
AW: Thank you.&#13;
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